Aspiring Peasants
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If you were around in the 70s you would not want nationalised industries
Strikes
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Well, the privatisation model hasn't worked here - it costs more and delivers less, in short, an abject failure (other than making some people very wealthy). I certainly don't want an American style health system, so for me renationalisation is the only sensible option.
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It's ok for the CE to get 49% pay rise.
Birmingham Airport chief executive gets 49% pay rise
Nick Barton saw his pay increase to £595,000 as boss of Birmingham Airport, despite job cuts.
www.bbc.com
TheTallGuy
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Do you have a reliable citation for that £500 million profit figure and can you point to any government operation or procurement that has outperformed the private sector? Or come in on time or budget & without significant cut backs in scope?
Can you link to a study showing the a comparison of punctuality between the 80's & today? Or the numbers of services being run?Is it more or less of a joke than the current system?
I'd say less. Trains still don't arrive on time, services have been cut and they are now way more expensive.
Yes, British Rail was bad, but its now more badly run and costs us more.
Welcome to the future
As for costs - guess who is responsible for the increased fares burden? Successive governments have largely dictated fares policy in order to obtain greater premium payments to offset against the direct grants to Network Rail. One of the most inefficient elements responsible for a significant portion of delays and cancellations in running our railway is Network Rail... which is owned by... DfT!
I'm no fan of privatisation over nationalisation of the railways, the problem is the structure and control exerted by Whitehall that has been the biggest issue over the years.
kiwi pom
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You'd think these folk would have the brains to figure out its not a good look. But no, they actually believe they're worth the increase.It's ok for the CE to get 49% pay rise.
Birmingham Airport chief executive gets 49% pay rise
Nick Barton saw his pay increase to £595,000 as boss of Birmingham Airport, despite job cuts.www.bbc.com
They're only out for themselves which is fair but then they complain when their minions look out for themselves too.
Passengers numbers are massively up since privatisation, the claim that the tracks dont create income is nonsense train operators pay to use them,part of the problem is working practices are the same as when it was BR, permanent way staff spend most of their time sat in their Vans or stood round watching someone else working, also the network is old and requires a lot of maintenance. If you think it's bad now you should have seen it in the old days. As for trains arriving late who cares if a train is 5 minutes slow have you ever driven on the roads lately, journey times far longer than 20 years ago
Courier
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“Giving” the 40 hour a week cleaner on £356.40 per week a raise of £23.60 to £380 per week and “giving” and average salaried person the same amount during times of rampant inflation is hardly going to make serious inroads into the the sacred cow of differentials.The mean average salary for full-time workers in the UK is £38,131.
If you want to see an efficient rail system go to the Netherlands.
Modern, clean and on time.
Modern, clean and on time.
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Or Germany, or Austria or Belgium - French is on time but......well, its French....
TheTallGuy
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And of those countries & the UK, which has the lowest equivalent subsidy per passenger kilometres?
The BIG problem there would be that they would be run by beaureacrats - exactly like those in charge at DEFRA and the NHS - who "manage"
by creating more layers of complexity. Would we end up with a world best industry??
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Who cares?
What matters is how much they make or lose overall - profits from theirs go back into the system (and are invested elsewhere to the benefit of their population and not shareholders - see below) which would make the subsidy burden less.
There are also the less tangible benefits of the benefit to the economy of getting commuters to work and freight to its destination effectively at a price that is affordable so they have more money to spend elsewhere and the saving on emissions when more people use public transport, especially in urban areas.
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Currently they are incredibly badly managed by private business, who are funneling our money abroad why would it be any worse?
Have you seen how many layers of complexity there already are?
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Re-nationalisation at a time when politicians of every colour and government appointed suits behind polished desks are suffering an all time low of public trust probably isn't going to win much favour with the public.
Come the revolution brothers..anyone in public office who can be demonstrated to have acted in their own interest rather than that of the public will watch their first born being offered to the gods of mammon shortly before they themselves are thrown to the baying crowds.
We don't need new systems we need honest, hard working, trustworthy people actually doing the job they are paid to do and politicians who have been taught through fierce lessons that they serve the public not rule them.
It used to be said people were all decent till they formed a crowd, now everyone has a gripe but as a nation we have allowed many successive governments to ride rough shod over us and never done much more than voted in the next bunch of liars and hypocrites to read us the same old story.
When has a new government came in and with a large brush swept away what had gone on before regardless of how much they criticised it from the other bench?
Come the revolution brothers..anyone in public office who can be demonstrated to have acted in their own interest rather than that of the public will watch their first born being offered to the gods of mammon shortly before they themselves are thrown to the baying crowds.
We don't need new systems we need honest, hard working, trustworthy people actually doing the job they are paid to do and politicians who have been taught through fierce lessons that they serve the public not rule them.
It used to be said people were all decent till they formed a crowd, now everyone has a gripe but as a nation we have allowed many successive governments to ride rough shod over us and never done much more than voted in the next bunch of liars and hypocrites to read us the same old story.
When has a new government came in and with a large brush swept away what had gone on before regardless of how much they criticised it from the other bench?
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But the people running the rail companies are doing exactly what they are paid to do, which is make as much money as they possibly can, by whatever means they can. That is the point of running a business.
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Oh look, 38 million of our money went to shareholders during the pandemic.
Yes, very efficient indeed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-38m-shareholders-bailed-taxpayer-Covid.html
Yes, very efficient indeed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-38m-shareholders-bailed-taxpayer-Covid.html
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TheTallGuy
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Numbers not your strong point?
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- Ledbury, Herefordshire
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On a national scale we simply have to accept a lot of 'only's. Even if they are unpalatable. Keeping track of every penny once it is released from the public coffers into the hands of multiple layers of diplomacy is sadly almost impossible, particularly when vast sums are being expended in a crisis situation. What is greatly disappointing is the lack of personal integrity and sense of moral responsibility to the people exhibited by those tasked by the people to serve the people.
When contracts are secured by a nod and a wink, when jobs are allocated due to who knows who or who knows what about who rather than on a transparent merit system is when the whole system needs a ground up overhaul with very serious repercussions for those who betray the public trust.
When contracts are secured by a nod and a wink, when jobs are allocated due to who knows who or who knows what about who rather than on a transparent merit system is when the whole system needs a ground up overhaul with very serious repercussions for those who betray the public trust.
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I sympathise butr there's still money being wasted via the methods I listed. Why not sort that out 1st? I'm not believing media smear, these things are happening. The above is shite mind.