Claas dealers buying NH combines

Andrew · Jun 27, 2022

I'm sure I remember reading on here that Claas justify their prices by artificially inflating second hand values, offering high trade in prices and there was loads of second hand combines sat unsold. They've all gone have they?

Or am I imagining things (could well be to be fair)

Lincsman · Jun 27, 2022

Andrew said:
I'm sure I remember reading on here that Claas justify their prices by artificially inflating second hand values, offering high trade in prices and there was loads of second hand combines sat unsold. They've all gone have they?

Or am I imagining things (could well be to be fair)

Yes it was stated as you say, might have been true?
Anyway they are on a good thing now, sell new expensive combine, start taking the money, and deliver some old trade in, and start selling for next year, repeat.. repeat.... then hopefully not go bankrupt.

As pointed out, not sure how the tax claim will work? tax man only allows write down once used, and if not even made how can you claim it?

Could be even worse when the trade in is actually a crystallised profit?

daveydiesel1 · Jun 27, 2022

Andrew said:
I'm sure I remember reading on here that Claas justify their prices by artificially inflating second hand values, offering high trade in prices and there was loads of second hand combines sat unsold. They've all gone have they?

Or am I imagining things (could well be to be fair)

Local claas dealer had a heap of used spf harvesters sittin last time i was past, some sitting for a few years. He must be making alot of money to be fit to sit on all that stock as theres plenty of fresh 1s thats still up on money.

benny6910 · Jun 27, 2022

Mark Hatton said:
They've all got to keep taking orders to stay in business, I was speaking to a farmer recently who'd been quoted on a new JD tractor and had allegedly been informed if ordered now, they may see it possibly for autumn 2023, sounds horrendous for both manufacturers and customers alike.

I was at our local show yesterday and jd rep said if I placed a tractor order delivery would be March 23. I said I couldn’t wait that long so I went to the burger van at the end of the row for my lunch instead.

Al R · Jun 27, 2022

benny6910 said:
I was at our local show yesterday and jd rep said if I placed a tractor order delivery would be March 23. I said I couldn’t wait that long so I went to the burger van at the end of the row for my lunch instead.

I thought you were gonna say you went to the britains/siku stand instead

HAM135 · Jun 27, 2022

Been told only 50 new class combines coming to the UK for 2023 season,came from the man that sells them so must be some truth in it.

Lincsman · Jun 27, 2022

HAM135 said:
Been told only 50 new class combines coming to the UK for 2023 season,came from the man that sells them so must be some truth in it.

Is that after the current undelivered sold ones are delivered?

HAM135 · Jun 27, 2022

Lincsman said:
Is that after the current undelivered sold ones are delivered?

Yes after this year's ones are delivered

solo · Jun 28, 2022

I presume these replacement combines come with full parts and labour warranty, then next year your new combine arrives and you get a second year of full labour and parts warranty. From the customers point of view it could be a winner. The problem for the manufacturer lies in the resale of these replacement combines being a year older with more hours on the clock

Drillman · Jun 28, 2022

solo said:
I presume these replacement combines come with full parts and labour warranty, then next year your new combine arrives and you get a second year of full labour and parts warranty. From the customers point of view it could be a winner. The problem for the manufacturer lies in the resale of these replacement combines being a year older with more hours on the clock

And let’s face it the people running these “loaners” ain’t gonna be that worried about looking after them. As long as they work that will do!

ollie989898 · Jun 28, 2022

Drillman said:
And let’s face it the people running these “loaners” ain’t gonna be that worried about looking after them. As long as they work that will do!

Ah but if they break them there is no guarantee there will be a replacement/demo machine sat around just waiting and you know what getting parts can be like in the middle of harvest.

snipe · Jun 28, 2022

Mark Hatton said:
They've all got to keep taking orders to stay in business, I was speaking to a farmer recently who'd been quoted on a new JD tractor and had allegedly been informed if ordered now, they may see it possibly for autumn 2023, sounds horrendous for both manufacturers and customers alike.

John Deere rep said anything from American factory is 2024 now.

snipe · Jun 28, 2022

michael N123 said:
You’d just end the deal and buy from somewhere else if they wanted your old one without giving you the new one wouldn’t ya

it’s a year of free combining With warranty. I’d be happy waiting many years as long as the stand in machine was up to capacity.

ollie989898 · Jun 28, 2022

snipe said:
it’s a year of free combining With warranty. I’d be happy waiting many years as long as the stand in machine was up to capacity.

Exactly, if the machine is up together and works well, who is worried? You've got your replacement machine in the pipeline, at an agreed price. Life is good.

Be different if you were stuck with your trade in that was tired and having to do 1 or even 2 more harvests with it, with fuel prices as they are combine capacity is more valuable than gold at present.

DRC · Jun 28, 2022

ollie989898 said:
Exactly, if the machine is up together and works well, who is worried? You've got your replacement machine in the pipeline, at an agreed price. Life is good.

Be different if you were stuck with your trade in that was tired and having to do 1 or even 2 more harvests with it, with fuel prices as they are combine capacity is more valuable than gold at present.

Amazing that people need to change combines that often . Even on big farms they don’t do many hours a year, and wearing parts can be replaced easily enough .

nick... · Jun 28, 2022

I asked a deere specialist at cereals about combine availability and he told me they had plenty of stock and no issues like others.
nick...

benny6910 · Jun 28, 2022

silverfox said:
Amazing that people need to change combines that often . Even on big farms they don’t do many hours a year, and wearing parts can be replaced easily enough .

I’m glad they do else I would struggle to find a good secondhand one when I look to change.

ollie989898 · Jun 28, 2022

silverfox said:
Amazing that people need to change combines that often . Even on big farms they don’t do many hours a year, and wearing parts can be replaced easily enough .

I guess a lot of combines would be serviced or overhauled annually as well in addition to their usual servicing so should be in fine fettle- zero or very few cold starts, long days running at a steady load rather than stop/start work and the like but then not all operators are created equal. I have worked over the years with several experienced guys who operate 'their' kit with extreme care but their mentality is not universal.

marcot · Jun 28, 2022

Flatland guy said:
I think the finance agreement/ bacs payment or whatever is signed when you order a new one hence the old ones have gone as part exchange and the deal is done it is just that the farmer /contractor has not got their new machine but paying finance on it possibly. The combine manufacturer has the money from the sale hence why they can afford to purchase a second hand one as a stop gap replacement. The only other problem for the farmer is that technically they might not be able to use the intend Agricultural Investment Allowance (AIA) in the year they envisaged due to no machine being delivered according to the rules.

Surely no one is daft enough to start paying for a machine that hasn't even been built yet?
Thats a bit like bunging a hooker £50 cash and saying pop round in a couple of months a give me a BJ .....not gonna happen !

thesilentone · Jun 28, 2022

I see a storm brewing.

If the numbers are high, and it's happening in other Countries also, the funders are going to get nervous.

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