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Had a few conversations around this topic and I think there should be a few more 'in depth' talks for those that may have heard the basics again and again
Groundswell Show 2022
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but if you ask DEFRA, their answer through the ELMS /SFI is to pay more for herbal leys than PP. Thus encouraging us to plough up PP for the higher level of achievement , which is herbal leys
isn't that right @Janet Hughes Defra ??
but if you ask DEFRA, their answer through the ELMS /SFI is to pay more for herbal leys than PP. Thus encouraging us to plough up PP for the higher level of achievement , which is herbal leys
isn't that right @Janet Hughes Defra ??
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would be good to hear presentations of systems backed up by serious financial/benchmarking numbers, not just emotions .
I know it is difficul when so many of the benefits are non-financial, but I feel people need to see businesses being successful because they have made the RegenAg move, not just doing it "because they can"
We are in the SFI pilot with all our pp and smaller arable area in the advanced soils standard.but if you ask DEFRA, their answer through the ELMS /SFI is to pay more for herbal leys than PP. Thus encouraging us to plough up PP for the higher level of achievement , which is herbal leys
isn't that right @Janet Hughes Defra ??
My little grip , which I have had a go at Janet about recently, is the definition of pp which I think it is really any field of grass you can't or shouldn't grow spring barley on.
Maybe 3 soils standard are needed
one for true pp,
one for any ryegrass type award pp or TG 1
Then the arable for any cropping with the ability to swap between the last two.
getting herbs to grow does not sound very easy when you actually want them to.
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The huge mistake made decades ago by DEFRA defining any grass down longer than 5 years as PP is coming back to bite them now.....
What DEFRA understand as PP is different from what farmers have always described as PP.
What DEFRA understand as PP is different from what farmers have always described as PP.
Hindsight
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UK not a member of the EU now. That definition can be changed. If I recall it was necessary for purposes of compliance with the EU directive that drove CAP payments. 'Take back control' was the mantra. 'Take action now' should maybe the new mantra. Ask George.
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True, but the damage is now done. DEFRA staff think that's the definition of pp.
The "grass for 5 years" definition is a typical bureaucratic one; simple to write, easy to check and wrong. It imposed a reductionist view on a complex system.
A genuine pastoral farmer will recognise genuine pp immediately but it's hard to explain to a non-farmer.
yes, we did, although I thought at first it was just a reaction to Monbigot.Anyone else pick up Covid at Groundswell?
I’d assumed that the holiness of regenerative ag would have kept the evil pestilence at bay but I’m slightly disappointed to realise that those of us who “see the light” aren’t actually immune to the issues of the common (plough)man
CopperBeech
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I am dying!yes, we did, although I thought at first it was just a reaction to Monbigot.
I’d assumed that the holiness of regenerative ag would have kept the evil pestilence at bay but I’m slightly disappointed to realise that those of us who “see the light” aren’t actually immune to the issues of the common (plough)man
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Is that meant sarcastically out do you genuinely feel really ill?
Hopefully the former...
CopperBeech
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I have never ever been this sick in my life mate. Came on Saturday night. I am laid out f*cked. No jabs
Oh dear....
Seriously hope you start to pull through quickly CB, but be careful if the breathing goes really crap.
I know 2 people who have been really poorly who had no jabs. Not good at all...
The current guidance for those with suspected Covid and who have not been vacinated is to call the none emergency number for advice... Our local hospital is still full of unvaccinated men in their 50's who are on CPAP machines (breathing assistance).. I am sure i am being ignored by this forum user for good reason but a fellow TFF'r might like to help?
Hope you’re feeling better soon. I wanted to speak to you at groundswell about Exlana sheep, but you were too popular!
CopperBeech
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I am no good at being unwell!
You can always drop me a PM here and I’ll answer any questions best as I can!
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In case you have @Huno on ignore, He's posted this for you:
"The current guidance for those with suspected Covid and who have not been vacinated is to call the none emergency number for advice... Our local hospital is still full of unvaccinated men in their 50's who are on CPAP machines (breathing assistance)"
Call for help if you need it mate, don't be a martyr.
CopperBeech
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Ah! Luckily I am in my 30s. To be fair I feel absolutely lifeless with no energy but my chest isn’t too bad. Just literally feel like a ghost of myself, it is bloody weird.
I am blaming the people of London!
I am blaming the people of London!
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