Cost of telehandler ownership vs tractor loader

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
That will probably be the perkins 1104 common rail engine then? No DPF either, everyone that had one then moved on to the merc engine models and or the deutz ones said they used more fuel compared to the 1104 common rail 🤷‍♂️
Duetz in it. We really don't hammer them but they do a lot of work gently. We have the Perkins in our Class Axos tractors and they are also very economical too.
 

Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
2l per hour loading muck, I think I will have to start importing machines from Africa !

Unless you have some special long burn diesel over there, that could also be worth importing!
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
2l per hour loading muck, I think I will have to start importing machines from Africa !

Unless you have some special long burn diesel over there, that could also be worth importing!
Well it's an ex UK machine so maybe you'd be better importing a skilled operator. It did a bit of muck heaping last week and some general handling and haulage.However I stand by my records as they match our diesel usage and machine hours. I'd be really stupid to lie about this.
 

Masseygobblz

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Livestock Farmer
Currently run 120hp loader tractor to carry out all tasks on 120 cow/200ac dairy farm. Thinking seriously about moving to a small telehandler e.g. Kramer for feeding up/scraping out/cubicle bed management.

What concerns me is the potential cost of telehandler ownership. I have heard some fairly frightening tales of repair costs from neighbours over the years, but I have no personal experience.

Does anyone have any realistic costs of ownership in terms of £/hr that they would care to share? Need some half accurate costs for future budgets

By way of comparison, the average cost of owning my last three loader tractors (excluding fuel) changed at 3yrs/3000hrs can be broken down as follows:

Depreciation £4.67/hr
Routine servicing every 250hrs £0.62/hr
Repairs £0.36/hr
Insurance £0.70/hr

TOTAL £6.35/hr

n.b. Tyre wear included within depreciation as it is always traded in on original tyres.

How is this likely to compare to running a telehandler (n)

Thanks in advance
Also need to factor in the yearly Lola inspection with a telehandler and any faults/repairs that finds
 

Blue.

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Livestock Farmer
Well it's an ex UK machine so maybe you'd be better importing a skilled operator. It did a bit of muck heaping last week and some general handling and haulage.However I stand by my records as they match our diesel usage and machine hours. I'd be really stupid to lie about this.
Is your figure actual hours or clock hours?
Just looked and my jcb has averaged 3.64l on clock hours but for actual hours its 2.18l
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Is your figure actual hours or clock hours?
Just looked and my jcb has averaged 3.64l on clock hours but for actual hours its 2.18l
Clock hours. I know they might be a difference between proper time and Claas time . At least 3.6litres an hour makes me think I’m not totally mental.
 
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mf7480

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Mixed Farmer
Is your figure actual hours or clock hours?
Just looked and my jcb has averaged 3.64l on clock hours but for actual hours its 2.18l

My 320S says it’s used 5500 litres in 3002 hours. 1.83l/hr. That’s nonsense becuase it’s used far, far more than that
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
That will probably be the perkins 1104 common rail engine then? No DPF either, everyone that had one then moved on to the merc engine models and or the deutz ones said they used more fuel compared to the 1104 common rail 🤷‍♂️
I have one of those in my MF5445. I find it very thirsty, probably due to its unregulated internal EGR to meet tier3 emissions. It also has a particularly pungent exhaust smell at low revs due to, again the internal EGR and the very fine particulate emissions which equates to no visible smoke.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Duetz in it. We really don't hammer them but they do a lot of work gently. We have the Perkins in our Class Axos tractors and they are also very economical too.
Well something must burn through it if you used 18,000 litres/month. At the rate your handlers are drinking you must have equipment covering nearly 10,000 hours a month. Even if each engine did 50 hours a week and average double your handler’s consumption, you would be running 100 such engines.
I suspect that a few would be road trucks but even so, would they consume more than 2000litres each per month on average, considering loading/unloading and other stoppages? My maths could be askew of course being that it is 1 am.

Interesting stuff.
 
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Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Well something must burn through it if you used 18,000 litres/month. At the rate your handlers are drinking you must have equipment covering nearly 10,000 hours a month. Even if each engine did 50 hours a week and average double your handler’s consumption, you would be running 100 such engines.
I suspect that a few would be road trucks but even so, would they consume more than 2000litres each per month on average, considering loading/unloading and other stoppages? My maths could be askew of course being that it is 1 am.

Interesting stuff.
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New Holland T7040
Class Arion 630 x 2
Landini 165
New Holland T6080
Class Ares 696
Renault Ares 696
John Deere 6125d
Claas Axos 340CX x6
John Deere 5090 EH
MF 4255
Ford 4610
Househam Self Propelled Sprayer x 3
Claas Scorpion
JCB 531-70
Manitou MB 25M
New Holland TC5-80
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2 x Toyota Land Cruiser pickups
1 x Toyota Land Cruiser Prado
I'll post my consumption sheets if you like. This year we will grow over 4000 acres of crops mainly vegetables. Since we went to minimum cultivations we''ve knocked our fuel consumption right down and probably have too much tackle but we employ a lot of drivers in a country where fuel theft is rife so it pays to keep on top of fuel consumption.
Yep theoretically your mathematics is correct practically it's not right at all.
 
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Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Looking through my records the Scorpion uses about a litre less an hour than our JCB 531-70 in wet yards mucking out the Claas will get up to 4.5 litres an hour and the JCB 5.6 litres max. The JCB is a 4 speed 100 hp construction spec so it’s probably working harder than the Claas
 
Could potentially manage without loader tractor if I had an older smaller tractor for fert spreading, slurry stirring and grass harrowing/rolling etc.

All other operations carried out by contractors.

Main reason for running loader tractor is hauling 2k bales per annum, but that will change shortly (cubicles).

Your move to cubicles will save so much time and money you won't know yourself. I had customers do this exact thing and the savings on time and mastitis alone paid for the cubicles within 3 years I think they said.
 

JMTHORNLEY

Member
Location
Glossop
Class Axion 820
New Holland T7040
Class Arion 630 x 2
Landini 165
New Holland T6080
Class Ares 696
Renault Ares 696
John Deere 6125d
Claas Axos 340CX x6
John Deere 5090 EH
MF 4255
Ford 4610
Househam Self Propelled Sprayer x 3
Claas Scorpion
JCB 531-70
Manitou MB 25M
New Holland TC5-80
3 × Mitsubishi FH lorries
2 x VW Amaroks
2 x Toyota Land Cruiser pickups
1 x Toyota Land Cruiser Prado
I'll post my consumption sheets if you like. This year we will grow over 4000 acres of crops mainly vegetables. Since we went to minimum cultivations we''ve knocked our fuel consumption right down and probably have too much tackle but we employ a lot of drivers in a country where fuel theft is rife so it pays to keep on top of fuel consumption.
Yep theoretically your mathematics is correct practically it's not right at all.
I mean fair play for posting that shag but what a sad sad world we are in when you have to post your companies assets to 'prove' a calculation :rolleyes:
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
I mean fair play for posting that shag but what a sad sad world we are in when you have to post your companies assets to 'prove' a calculation :rolleyes:
No it’s great I’ve been waiting for a TFF ‘what’s in your shed’ thread. Seriously though I don’t like to be rude and it was the only way I thought I could politely deflect the remarks.
Anyway I could be a total liar and be making it all up.
 
No it’s great I’ve been waiting for a TFF ‘what’s in your shed’ thread. Seriously though I don’t like to be rude and it was the only way I thought I could politely deflect the remarks.
Anyway I could be a total liar and be making it all up.
It’s still not really in the spirit of this place that you should be made to feel that you need to justify your self. Well done for the dignified way you handled it, many here could learn a thing or two from you…… on more than one level.
 

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