Buying Forage for Sucklers

I think this has been covered previously but times have changed a bit recently!

I’ve been debating the pros/cons of not cutting any of my own grass and buying in hay for my hill suckler herd.

Cuttable ground only makes up 5% of the acres of the farm and generally yields very poorly, which limits the wintering capacity. Not having to cut my own would free up time, better summer grazing, massively reduce machinery/contractor costs, lime/fertiliser application etc etc…

I understand that I would be at the mercy of the forage market, which in a bad year could be costly, but the other option is to be at the mercy of the fert/fuel market…followed by the beef market.

I’d be interested to hear other peoples thoughts and if they buy in or make their own and why?

Cheers!

if eveyone did it, no-one would be able to do it
 
It’s the wrong year to start really. Everyone has got their sights set on high feed prices due to increased costs and anything that goes on a wagon is getting dearer to move
 
Cull them. Replace with heifers from cows which do hold condition (fit the system).

Taking cows down 1-1.5 condition scores over the course of a winter is a great way to reduce wintering costs.
1 to 1.5 is very lean IMO
The worst calvings I've been dealt with involved lean cows and the best have been with 3.5 to 4 which us what I aim for now, too lean leads to poor colostrum, hung placentas and often huge calves due to compensatory placental development.

I'd say a cow that's as low as 1 to 1.5 is on the wrong system.
 

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1 to 1.5 is very lean IMO
The worst calvings I've been dealt with involved lean cows and the best have been with 3.5 to 4 which us what I aim for now, too lean leads to poor colostrum, hung placentas and often huge calves due to compensatory placental development.

I'd say a cow that's as low as 1 to 1.5 is on the wrong system.

I've not written my comment very well. I'm not advocating for cows calving at BCS 1-1.5.

But that wintering costs can be reduced by utilising the feed on their backs, which may involve them losing equivalent to 1 to 1.5 grades of BCS. IE. going from BCS 4 to BCS 3/2.5.
 
I've not written my comment very well. I'm not advocating for cows calving at BCS 1-1.5.

But that wintering costs can be reduced by utilising the feed on their backs, which may involve them losing equivalent to 1 to 1.5 grades of BCS. IE. going from BCS 4 to BCS 3/2.5.
Feeding cows is becoming a very tricky balance in many cases, I spoke to someone a few days ago and they said they were spending over £200 per cow on N, which just doesn't stack up.
 

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