carbon audit

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
yes of course, why wouldn't I ?

Its almost like asking if i'm going to bother harvesting my wheat this year !


Lats years income is currently being spent on a big part of a 25kw solar and battery install which seemed appreciate !
If you don’t mind me asking, what is that trading for this year and how much carbon are you capturing per hectare?
 

delilah

Member
AIC (retailer funded) will be trying everything they can to get Red Tractor to make Carbon part of assurance because retailers and processors want FARMERS carbon so they can offset their footprint

this is basically a robbery in progress as carbon has value (agree with that or not does not mater, fact is its yours and it does have value)

our farming unions seem to be on retail and processors side insisting were have obligations to be nett zero businesses - there is no such requirement (yet)

best thing we can ALL do is quantify and sell it ourselves so a market exists outside the food chain setting a proper value

My nomination for most contradictory post of the year.
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Can't get my head round the suggestion that it is simultaneously a bad thing because the cartel will use it to greenwash their businesses whilst continuing to screw farmers, and a good thing because we can sell it to the cartel. Either it's bollox or it isn't.
I suppose it depends who’s hands your bollox are in.
your own or someone else’s
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
First question: you need an audit? What does that mean? Have you simply to have had one done so that you can say yes. Or do you have to allow them access to it so that they can pass on the benefits up the chain? Personally I'd stop right at the first stage and tell them to fekk off. They aren't getting any access at all to this as its my intellectual property and they have no business interfering in that. Or even knowing if I've been stupid enough to do a carbon calculator and depressed the life out of myself by so doing.

Secondly, I'd tell them to fekk off because no spreadsheet will actually account for carbon properly anyway.

I'd just draw your attention to the following in the excellent article by Geoff Pickering in the Farmers Guardian:

There are several assessment calculators designed for farmers. I tried two of them. My current footprint was 248,000 tons/pa in one and 45 tons in the other. The astonishing difference reflects the calculators’ differing methodology and assumptions.

It's one thing for huge companies to be splashing so much green paint at everyone's eyes that they can't make anything out, but when you see how fekking absurd this is you have to draw a line in the sand. It's beyond scandalous.

 
IF a Carbon Audit is being proposed.

Then it's pretty obvious those who create the Carbon Audit calculations must take ALL responsibility for them being correct and bonifide.

That means those companies doing and creating audits need to be hedged and insured against liability.


If the schemes are not financially backed then it's pretty obvious they are little more than a scam with a huge risk outlay - literally a finger in the wind.

TBH though, I fail to see how this pyramid scam can be hedged against random HMG policy changes.

I bet all the companies offering these audits are Ltd Companies with £100 liability.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
If you are worried about RT using your carbon would it be possible to show them your carbon footprint but not allow them to use the information or take a copy of the information?

How long are you selling your carbon for Clive? Annual agreements?


have sold annual sequestration so can do so every year, commit to not derp cultivate for 5 yr which rolls on a year every year i continue yo sell sequestration

i think a lot confuse / assume selling stored carbon which is very different and imo would be a bad idea

longer you sit on the fence waiting you loose years sequestration ……… just like not bothering to harvest a crop
 

mixed breed

Member
Mixed Farmer
Carbon assessment is not that bad, we've had to do one to satisfy our milk buyers

12 months from march 2020 our enterprise emitted :
1009Grams of carbon dioxide equivalent per kg of fat and protein corrected milk produced.

Which is apparently something to shout about.. next assesment they will be looking to include how much carbon we are capturing, which may result in us being carbon neutral.

My honest opinion is although it seems a load of bullsh!t, its a positive, it's a result and seemingly a good result, it's something official to give to those who say we're destroying the planet.

If RT are getting involved then they're just jumping on the bandwagon. they need to stick to what they're there to do ....... Um food security wasn't it?
 
Am never going to do a carbon audit till I see an equally honest one for the cars on the road and the aircraft in the sky. Once I see them I will do one.Farming is just a soft touch and the soaring price of all these carbon producing inputs will probably lead to a big reduction in their use and as a result less carbon released. Daughter with Phd in astrophysics backs me up on this. Already use lots of red/white clover, old fasioned 7 course rotation, small car to reduce my carbon footprint.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
12 months from march 2020 our enterprise emitted :
1009Grams of carbon dioxide equivalent per kg of fat and protein corrected milk produced
Ours was similar until we increased replacement numbers because of tb losses and installed the robots increasing energy use,but no deduction for less staff. Madneas
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Carbon assessment is not that bad, we've had to do one to satisfy our milk buyers

12 months from march 2020 our enterprise emitted :
1009Grams of carbon dioxide equivalent per kg of fat and protein corrected milk produced.

Which is apparently something to shout about.. next assesment they will be looking to include how much carbon we are capturing, which may result in us being carbon neutral.

My honest opinion is although it seems a load of bullsh!t, its a positive, it's a result and seemingly a good result, it's something official to give to those who say we're destroying the planet.

If RT are getting involved then they're just jumping on the bandwagon. they need to stick to what they're there to do ....... Um food security wasn't it?
So they’re not assessing carbon captured right now? What a fekking farce.

How are they assessing your emissions? GWP100 or GWP*?
 

robs1

Member
Are RT doing a carbon audit on there side of the job, will that include all the production of paper used, electricity used, and of course the CO2 emitted by the inspectors car? They will need to provide us with that so our figures are accurate.
 

Barleymow

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ipswich
Are RT doing a carbon audit on there side of the job, will that include all the production of paper used, electricity used, and of course the CO2 emitted by the inspectors car? They will need to provide us with that so our figures are accurate.
Don't forget the heat given off by fuming farmers being picked up on pointless failures in audits
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Carbon assessment is not that bad, we've had to do one to satisfy our milk buyers

12 months from march 2020 our enterprise emitted :
1009Grams of carbon dioxide equivalent per kg of fat and protein corrected milk produced.

Which is apparently something to shout about.. next assesment they will be looking to include how much carbon we are capturing, which may result in us being carbon neutral.

My honest opinion is although it seems a load of bullsh!t, its a positive, it's a result and seemingly a good result, it's something official to give to those who say we're destroying the planet.

If RT are getting involved then they're just jumping on the bandwagon. they need to stick to what they're there to do ....... Um food security wasn't it?


can you sell your sequestered carbon or is your buyer stealing your carbon ? they will claiming they are nett zero based on YOUR sequestration i suspect

you have no obligation to be nett zero - no business in any industry does yet
 

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