Mr Tree
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- Location
- Sth Yorkshire
If you sold today ( which you won’t I don’t think!) so you could budget for next year to sell for August it’s circa £197!!!
Game over
Game over
Barley sub £200
- Thread starter Mr Tree
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warksfarmer
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They’ll be lots of cancelled fert orders!
Panic tactics from the buyers , lock the door and let them whistle
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
going on the reports of the margins of the uk fert producer !! reckon it would be in our interests to cancel the orders and buy russian !!
Mr Tree
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- Location
- Sth Yorkshire
No it’s not and mine is fortunately in a barn.
But, I presume there are farmers in different positions forced into selling for storage or cash!
Same ones also can’t purchase fert forward!
So that’s game over
Wouldn't bother me buying Russian , we probably are anyway .
DeeGee
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- Location
- North East Wales
This is why, some months ago, when there was talk of £300/tonne for grain this harvest I kept my forward budgets at nearer £220/ tonne.
Have yet to combine spring barley, not ready anyway; but whereas I never expected £300 or even £250; I certainly won’t be selling anything below £200. Hope for the best, but expect the worst.
Always budget on the high side for inputs and on the low side for returns.
But if it stays at about £200 I won’t be in a hurry to buy seed for 2023.
Have yet to combine spring barley, not ready anyway; but whereas I never expected £300 or even £250; I certainly won’t be selling anything below £200. Hope for the best, but expect the worst.
Always budget on the high side for inputs and on the low side for returns.
But if it stays at about £200 I won’t be in a hurry to buy seed for 2023.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Surely you could deliver a respectable gross margin with today's input costs if you forward sold barley at 197 per t?
Is giving them the silent treatment the best option from your experience?
there is only 1 i will actually answer their calls ! when i see missed calls from any others I know its a hold !
Mr Tree
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- Location
- Sth Yorkshire
If I was just farming which luckily I’m not then no I couldn’t.
If I was to take a reasonable living ,had a mortgage on my home an FBT agreement on my holding and a family the return would be derisory.
Unless of course I’d been fortunate enough to have had the family farm bought and paid for a generation or so ago!
If again you are unlucky enough to have an FBT rent and you need to purchase machinery using asset financing etc then barley at £197 on ordinary land yielding very average there’s no room for any investment and certainly little net profit.
As I say luckily or maybe fortunately I’ve got several different income streams I’ve built over a 25 year period of farm so the farm is just to tick over but I really do think at these levels and the return on investment then FBT farmer is on borrowed time!
PS
I bought fertilser at £635 for this years wheat plantings and Agrii rep told me yesterday that if we bought today it’s now mid to late £800’s !
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Does s/he want to buy some off you?
Disastrous, put the chopper down and chop it up, can't sell it for that
- Location
- Essex
This is good news for the livestock boys.
Every year the trade hoovers up all the winter barley at harvest and at the lowest price of the year, puts it on a boat and gets rid of it.
They then spend the rest of the year importing rain forest products to sell to UK ag.
The phrase "cutting out the middle man" has never been more appropriate
Every year the trade hoovers up all the winter barley at harvest and at the lowest price of the year, puts it on a boat and gets rid of it.
They then spend the rest of the year importing rain forest products to sell to UK ag.
The phrase "cutting out the middle man" has never been more appropriate
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- Location
- Westish Suffolk
Still bemused as to how the fertiliser trade get by with the potential of a wave of last minute cancelled farm orders....
If I was into livestock and needed barley I’d be buying my requirement up right now. £40 higher than last September prices. There’s going to be demand for barley because seems to me everyone has grown wheat this year.
Fair point. I wasn't allowing for rent and last time I looked at the numbers I used a fert number closer to 600.