Is Red tractor detrimental to your mental health

Is Red Tractor detrimental to your mental health

  • Yes, Red tractor increase my stress and anxiety

    Votes: 352 97.0%
  • No, Red tractor gives me peace of mind that the product I produce is safe to enter the food chain

    Votes: 11 3.0%

  • Total voters
    363

snipe

Member
Location
west yorkshire
But it's up to the individual to ensure the car is legally fit for use every day.
Same as for food production.
You could be stopped by the police or visa at any point and your car seized, you could have a spot assurance inspection at any point and your assurance suspended.

Incidents of AB failures used to be alot more than now, milksure and pressure on AB usage has helped in that which is....an assurance scheme requirement!
Less AB failures means saferish food.
Random Randox testing would make food even safer! But that's a whole other can of worms!
 

snipe

Member
Location
west yorkshire
I don’t think most farmer would complain about having to be assured. It’s the way it is done and the fact a lot of the rules are pointless. Plus most retailers see it as worthless. Would you be happy having to have an MOT and driving license to drive your car in this country but foreign drivers could come and drive here legally without a license or mot.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
But again an MOT is a legal requirement. Red Tractor doesn't add anything to ensure or assure this.

People don't record wearing a seatbelt or a condom or have it inspected by a third party one day of the year
Your compliance on seat belts could be checked at any time by an officer of the law.
Use of a condom would be check by the other party involved at every occasion if they wished for compliance

Because rules say must be done regardless. Common sense doesn't come into it - have you not seen how daft the protocols are?!
I've no experience of the arable assurance schemes. I do know I have to record it for organic.
Some protocols are ridiculous, marking a cow that's had a treatment on robots is madness. So the milk withhold is one day, mark her with a spray mark that the fudging robot cant see......that lasts a week. Completely ludicrous
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I don’t think most farmer would complain about having to be assured. It’s the way it is done and the fact a lot of the rules are pointless. Plus most retailers see it as worthless. Would you be happy having to have an MOT and driving license to drive your car in this country but foreign drivers could come and drive here legally without a license or mot.
Know of someone with dual citizenship.
When they lose their licence for totting up or drink driving they just move countries.

Done it more than once
 

snipe

Member
Location
west yorkshire
Your compliance on seat belts could be checked at any time by an officer of the law.
Use of a condom would be check by the other party involved at every occasion if they wished for compliance


I've no experience of the arable assurance schemes. I do know I have to record it for organic.
Some protocols are ridiculous, marking a cow that's had a treatment on robots is madness. So the milk withhold is one day, mark her with a spray mark that the fudging robot cant see......that lasts a week. Completely ludicrous
I don’t follow your logic. You are in favour of and backing an insurance scheme that you have described as “Completely ludicrous”
 
Your compliance on seat belts could be checked at any time by an officer of the law.
Use of a condom would be check by the other party involved at every occasion if they wished for compliance


I've no experience of the arable assurance schemes. I do know I have to record it for organic.
Some protocols are ridiculous, marking a cow that's had a treatment on robots is madness. So the milk withhold is one day, mark her with a spray mark that the fudging robot cant see......that lasts a week. Completely ludicrous

I'm ok being checked by a legally recognized or required body ie nroso every 3 years

Does the condom example come with a 50 page protocol and a clipboard?
 

stroller

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Somerset UK
I don’t think most farmer would complain about having to be assured. It’s the way it is done and the fact a lot of the rules are pointless. Plus most retailers see it as worthless. Would you be happy having to have an MOT and driving license to drive your car in this country but foreign drivers could come and drive here legally without a license or mot.
in a car that is not built to the same safety or emission regulations.
 

Barleymow

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ipswich
Rt caused me stress today £20 less / ton for non assured milling wheat onto a boat .mite be blackmailed into having to pay the b######s .needs everyone to leave ,can't afford to lose £6000 😪😔
 

digger64

Member
I think the trade like it because they can charge a premium. They just choose not to pass is back to the grower.
How can they charge a premium for basic farm products ?
feed wheat is feed wheat- the competition is from imports, the merchants have to match these prices, be better value or undercut them to have to a sale .
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
How can they charge a premium for basic farm products ?
feed wheat is feed wheat- the competition is from imports, the merchants have to match these prices, be better value or undercut them to have to a sale .
Yes I know, but do you honestly believe when they are putting a boatload together, they don't say to the buyer "of course it's all farm assured which adds another £x per tonne"?

It has a value, just not for the producer.
 
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digger64

Member
Yes I know but do you honestly believe when they are putting a boatload together, they don't say to the buyer "of course it's all farm assured which adds another £x per tonne"?

It has a value, just not for the producer.
No I dont - when commodities are bought in large tonnages/volumes a small difference in price adds up to £1000's .You are dreaming if you think an export/import trader will give a premium for a nice story or say thankyou for bureaucracy and complication .
What does help the merchant is an excuse to make a deduction on sourcing whilst still being able to access a main stream commodity market without penalty on sale = margin .
Feed wheat is feed wheat - collection cost ,MC, protein %, admixture , bushel weight ,pests etc are what matter !
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
No I dont - when commodities are bought in large tonnages/volumes a small difference in price adds up to £1000's .You are dreaming if you think an export/import trader will give a premium for a nice story or say thankyou for bureaucracy and complication .
What does help the merchant is an excuse to make a deduction on sourcing whilst still being able to access a main stream commodity market without penalty on sale = margin .
Feed wheat is feed wheat - collection cost ,MC, protein %, admixture , bushel weight ,pests etc are what matter !
You may well be right. They do know how to charge though...
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
But it's up to the individual to ensure the car is legally fit for use every day.
Same as for food production.
Yes, exactly. The farmer has a legal responsibility to ensure his produce is safe. That is regardless of farm assurance audits. If my milk was not fit according to the myriad ways the buyer tests the product regularly and takes samples daily, then I am penalised or they refuse to collect and am ultimately responsible for possibly a tanker or silo load of milk. This is regardless of any farm assurance audit.
 

thorpe

Member
Im dropping rt beef this year, after that i only sell aprox 250 ton of wheat, if i can feed more cattle and find a outlet for the remainder, the grain bit will be binned.
The two faced attitude of Minette Batters is astonishing going at the government over trade deals but ignoring the fact that her baby is one of the biggest stress factors for uk farming. (I also think it will one day prove to be illegal).
I only wish i was a member of the NFU so i could quit it.
we have done!
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
I had a very interesting conversation with the Oxford University Hospital Cardiac Rehab section today as a follow up to my Angioplasty procedure of just over 2 weeks ago. It was explained to me what all the 8 different drugs I am now on do and why it is important that I take them. I was asked what side effects I am having to which I replied only positive ones. All in all, I feel much better. It will take a year before they are confident enough to reduce, delete or replace any of those drugs. Some, I will have to take for the rest on my life.

Then we got onto to the subject as to why I had a heart attack and no surprises that the word STRESS reared its head, yet again!

In particular how there is often a delayed reaction that can cause serious effects months, if not years after a serious stress event

Fortunately they can provide good techniques as to being able to recognise early and deal with Stress before it become too much of an issue. However, it is VERY IMPORTANT for me, that any stress be kept to a minimum to prevent any more heart attacks in the near future.

So you lot at the Assurance Schemes, you’d better watch out or you may find yourselves in Court one day!



Edit:
There is one rather annoying side effect that poor Mrs Two Tone has just reminded me of.
Like many of us , I suffer from Barley Rash. Obviously at this time of the year, it is rather inevitable that I’m going to get it.
The meds I am taking are designed to reduce stress on my heart. In effect, they want it to work more slowly, but taking bigger gulps of blood. A bit like the Americans fitting large engines in their sports cars, rather than Lotus, who fit a small engine and tune the hell out of it.
To reduce blood pressure some of the drugs thin my blood. This has the effect of ‘melting’ any of the scabs formed where I might have scratched a little to hard. Resulting in a lot of leaks! Like this:
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Modern washing machines working at low temperatures are not good at get rid of blood stains.
 
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Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
No I dont - when commodities are bought in large tonnages/volumes a small difference in price adds up to £1000's .You are dreaming if you think an export/import trader will give a premium for a nice story or say thankyou for bureaucracy and complication .
What does help the merchant is an excuse to make a deduction on sourcing whilst still being able to access a main stream commodity market without penalty on sale = margin .
Feed wheat is feed wheat - collection cost ,MC, protein %, admixture , bushel weight ,pests etc are what matter !
You've got a good point there.

Merchant buys non-assured (I hate that term ☹️), pays a few £/tonne less, then sends it to the docks where it gets loaded on with RT grain.

RT has caused the farmer a totally unnecessary price reduction. Not sure if I blame RT or the merchant.
 

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