Sheep Dip DIsposal

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I've

never been convinced as too the efficiency of the injectables. Fully agree that nothing beats dipping. But the way I get dip flu for a few hours within 2 days of every dip really is starting too put me off. Think it's the fumes that do it as much as anything. It's an outdoor tank in what is probably the most windswept corner of the yard so I don't know how it gets me but it does!!

I always had that too. We discussed it when I did my dipping course (30 years ago?) and the instructor nearly had a fit. He explained that OP was a cumulative nerve poison, building up in your system until it caused you real problems, with some people being more susceptible than others. The ‘feeling a bit grotty for a couple of days’, which I’d always considered as normal, is a sign that you (and me) are one of the susceptible ones, and should take every chance to avoid using OP.
He scared me enough that I won’t have anything to do with it if at all possible.

I've never understood the claims of a ‘good dipping’ being like a tonic. If you have scab in your sheep, then it is the most effective treatment we have currently. It will also kill other ectoparasites (which are also reliably killed by cheaper/easier/safer methods. It doesn’t do anything else beneficial to the sheep, other than give them a wash I suppose.
 
I always had that too. We discussed it when I did my dipping course (30 years ago?) and the instructor nearly had a fit. He explained that OP was a cumulative nerve poison, building up in your system until it caused you real problems, with some people being more susceptible than others. The ‘feeling a bit grotty for a couple of days’, which I’d always considered as normal, is a sign that you (and me) are one of the susceptible ones, and should take every chance to avoid using OP.
He scared me enough that I won’t have anything to do with it if at all possible.

I've never understood the claims of a ‘good dipping’ being like a tonic. If you have scab in your sheep, then it is the most effective treatment we have currently. It will also kill other ectoparasites (which are also reliably killed by cheaper/easier/safer methods. It doesn’t do anything else beneficial to the sheep, other than give them a wash I suppose.
Try buying loads of sheep out of the auctions from now until April. Try farming on stinted ground. You will soon realise why you need to dip. Nothing else provides the cover or works as well.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Try buying loads of sheep out of the auctions from now until April. Try farming on stinted ground. You will soon realise why you need to dip. Nothing else provides the cover or works as well.

I don't intend to, but I agree (as I posted) that for scab treatment, dipping is the most effective option. What I don't see though, is the claim that dipping is somehow 'good for them' for any other reason.
 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
I don't intend to, but I agree (as I posted) that for scab treatment, dipping is the most effective option. What I don't see though, is the claim that dipping is somehow 'good for them' for any other reason.
Just dipped our smaller lambs who do not have scab and they are running and skipping tonight full bellies and have altered immensely better than the injectables. Family have always dipped in the past and fattened lambs by the 1000s
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Just dipped our smaller lambs who do not have scab and they are running and skipping tonight full bellies and have altered immensely better than the injectables. Family have always dipped in the past and fattened lambs by the 1000s

i don’t think anyone was suggesting that using injectables was more effective than dipping for ectoparasite control, you guys are the only ones comparing them.:scratchhead:

Are you suggesting that dipping them in OP, in the absence of those ectoparasites, somehow makes them skip about with fully bellies and put weight on?

For the record, I watching my lambs skip about with full bellies today too and, having just finished sorting the pedigree ewe lambs ready for tupping, I am surprised how much weight they’ve put on in the last 3 weeks.
Nothing here has been dipped, or had injectables, for several years. I put it down to a flush of fresh grass and a nice sunny day. I doubt they’ll be skipping much tomorrow.
 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
i don’t think anyone was suggesting that using injectables was more effective than dipping for ectoparasite control, you guys are the only ones comparing them.:scratchhead:

Are you suggesting that dipping them in OP, in the absence of those ectoparasites, somehow makes them skip about with fully bellies and put weight on?

For the record, I watching my lambs skip about with full bellies today too and, having just finished sorting the pedigree ewe lambs ready for tupping, I am surprised how much weight they’ve put on in the last 3 weeks.
Nothing here has been dipped, or had injectables, for several years. I put it down to a flush of fresh grass and a nice sunny day. I doubt they’ll be skipping much tomorrow.
Each to their own.
 

Welshram

Member
This might be a stupid question but couldn’t a few farmers group together and just share one license to spread on a piece of land try to drop the cost of the license it’s not as if you have a massive amount to spread at the end of the job
 

Anymulewilldo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
This might be a stupid question but couldn’t a few farmers group together and just share one license to spread on a piece of land try to drop the cost of the license it’s not as if you have a massive amount to spread at the end of the job
Wouldn’t that come under “importing hazardous material”? I’ve wondered this myself and just assumed that the reason it doesn’t happen is they don’t want it carted about. That way they can charge more people for the licences?
 

Welshram

Member
Didn’t think of that but I have to suck it out of the tank and cart it to the field lay tell me to spread it on so is there a distance you are aloud to travel with it and how do dipping contractors put it in ibc’s and take it with them
 

LAMBCHOPS

Member
Didn’t think of that but I have to suck it out of the tank and cart it to the field lay tell me to spread it on so is there a distance you are aloud to travel with it and how do dipping contractors put it in ibc’s and take it with them
still not found anyone in Wales/borders who will take the old dip presently stored in IBC. Happy to pay for delivery to or collection of to a waste disposal firm. Who is out there??? Any info please
 

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