So Youv just had your 12 month old collie back from trainers ? So at at a guess he went too the trainers at what 8 months? Too much too soon if you ask me, you can ruin a collie very easily by putting pressure on them that early in life
I just looked up her cards, she is 14 months,So Youv just had your 12 month old collie back from trainers ? So at at a guess he went too the trainers at what 8 months? Too much too soon if you ask me, you can ruin a collie very easily by putting pressure on them that early in life
Got a LAB here that has to have another sleep if it has just opened its eyes for 5 mins . I would take her for some one to one training try a different trainer for opinionDon’t get me wrong I don’t expect her to gather or pen up sheep (yet)
My main reason for posting was her laziness, she is the same when the other dogs play , she will sit and watch
I would hope he wouldn’t thrash her but who knows?At 14 months old I think I’d be expecting her to be training but certainly not expecting anything more than being able too run a hand full of sheep around, it doesn’t help the collie breed has been ruined IMO they’ve lost there natural instinct in the hunt for a dog that will do as it’s told when it’s told down too the letter and not a single thing more in the persuit of the perfect trials dog… different dogs react differently too pressure Iv one that goes bat sh!t crazy with power if I put pressure on her and another that will f**k off and hide under my truck if I put pressure on her… yours is probably the latter type of dog, set up some hurdles, 5 sheep in the pen, let it round them, keep your mouth shut just let it balance them and stop every now and then let it lie down, then move again.. if he’s not keen get him in the pen let him have some fun with the sheep running them about.. I don’t wanna slag someone off but my guess would be the dog wasn’t the type of dog the trainer is used too, he’s put too much pressure on it, probably gave it a thrashing or 2 and now the dog has lost its confidence that it’s allowed too work the sheep how it’s instincts tell it too… I can’t see how you can send a dog away for training then after 5 weeks send it back saying that’s as much as it can do
Pat McGettigans advice to me is pure gold. "Leave her alone and let's see what she does". They can only learn by making mistakes and that's worth thinking about. We put the basics in so we can help them, not to make them work like machines. Those comments aren't directed at anyone in particular but to all dog trainers in general. We are all too used to filling in forms and ticking boxes when we should be asking questions and getting answers!!At 14 months old I think I’d be expecting her to be training but certainly not expecting anything more than being able too run a hand full of sheep around, it doesn’t help the collie breed has been ruined IMO they’ve lost there natural instinct in the hunt for a dog that will do as it’s told when it’s told down too the letter and not a single thing more in the persuit of the perfect trials dog… different dogs react differently too pressure Iv one that goes bat sh!t crazy with power if I put pressure on her and another that will f**k off and hide under my truck if I put pressure on her… yours is probably the latter type of dog, set up some hurdles, 5 sheep in the pen, let it round them, keep your mouth shut just let it balance them and stop every now and then let it lie down, then move again.. if he’s not keen get him in the pen let him have some fun with the sheep running them about.. I don’t wanna slag someone off but my guess would be the dog wasn’t the type of dog the trainer is used too, he’s put too much pressure on it, probably gave it a thrashing or 2 and now the dog has lost its confidence that it’s allowed too work the sheep how it’s instincts tell it too… I can’t see how you can send a dog away for training then after 5 weeks send it back saying that’s as much as it can do
Do you think the pure “trials “ type dogs are ruining the basic working dog?The other problem is there are a lot of folk jumping on the fashion of breeding and training collies. Umpteen young women with a dozen dogs professing to be experts. As a result there are lots of average to crap dogs about, being bred from etc.
Coupled to that, a lot of farmers are average dog men, who dont know what a good one looks like.
Ive got fairly high standards with dogs and often see folk enthusing about how amazing someone’s dog’s are when they are just bog standard.
I’ve been lucky to have a couple of amazing dogs in my life but also a couple of also rans which haven’t made the grade and have been put in pet homes, they would gather sheep etc but just not work to the standard I want.
Yes.Do you think the pure “trials “ type dogs are ruining the basic working dog?
The guy we got our “ good” dog from is a very good trials man…. But his dogs are used day to day on farm work
Some are trials champions and carry a premium due to their success. Doesn’t necessarily help them gathering a moor or mountain side though
Yes I agree, although I’ve four dogs nowYes.
End of the day trials used to be for shepherds to come together and show off their work dogs for a bit of fun and so you could see who had what about them to use over a bitch or have pups out of.
Now you get a lot of trials folk who keep and breed trials dogs that only ever see a dozen ewes max and are then bred from etc etc. No push or drive or grit. Obviously they all argue and tell you their dogs work on the farm also.
But then I wouldn’t call gathering 100 ewes from a fenced ten acre field and pushing them through a gate in the corner into a field of fresh grass much in the way of dog work to be honest.
Also amazes me sometimes how many dogs folk use to get a job done. Sometimes I run a few together but to be honest one dog should handle most things and two should pretty much be able to cover it all apart from massive awkward mobs of ewes with lambs at foot or weaned lambs.
I’d love too see local ag society’s or county shows putting on “for fun trials” which is literally farmers fetch there with dog for a run out and laugh at eachotherYes.
End of the day trials used to be for shepherds to come together and show off their work dogs for a bit of fun and so you could see who had what about them to use over a bitch or have pups out of.
Now you get a lot of trials folk who keep and breed trials dogs that only ever see a dozen ewes max and are then bred from etc etc. No push or drive or grit. Obviously they all argue and tell you their dogs work on the farm also.
But then I wouldn’t call gathering 100 ewes from a fenced ten acre field and pushing them through a gate in the corner into a field of fresh grass much in the way of dog work to be honest.
Also amazes me sometimes how many dogs folk use to get a job done. Sometimes I run a few together but to be honest one dog should handle most things and two should pretty much be able to cover it all apart from massive awkward mobs of ewes with lambs at foot or weaned lambs.
We did knock about the idea of setting up ‘farm dog trials’ penning a group in a prattley, running through a race eyx. Would be a laugh.I’d love too see local ag society’s or county shows putting on “for fun trials” which is literally farmers fetch there with dog for a run out and laugh at eachother
Next time keep me in mind. Only need to pen them and push up the race here, small fields, got a failed trial dog atm, she saves me a lot of running!put in pet homes, they would gather sheep etc but just not work to the standard I want.
That be mint if you ask me, but like how the Aussies do trials including the pen workWe did knock about the idea of setting up ‘farm dog trials’ penning a group in a prattley, running through a race eyx. Would be a laugh.