Dressing tups for sale

Guleesh

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I reckon youll learn more about the tups on offer in October watching these lambs being sold than you would supposing you had a week to look at the tup!
Hey, isn't this statement almost decrying the practice of dressing tups for sale though? :ROFLMAO:

To save me wading through one hundred pages of the price tracker thread, from what you saw at Lairg, what's your verdict on the coming store trade please?
 

Bury the Trash

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Hey, isn't this statement almost decrying the practice of dressing tups for sale though? :ROFLMAO:
i Only buy off farm these days , from a flock(s) / flockmaster(s) that i know / about all seen in the field untampered with,then brought into the yard and figures checked and closer looked to see what i fancy.
Natural size as well no conc fed to accelerate growth.
dont go to auctions to buy Rams , never bought anything as suitable when i did, they changed too much after i brought them far too much of an unknown , just a gamble . Must admit ive never bought an 'orange' one though....:ROFLMAO::banghead:

Mind you having said that I wouldn't want to be a Ram seller either ,im not good enough at the job for that .
 
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Macsky

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Hey, isn't this statement almost decrying the practice of dressing tups for sale though? :ROFLMAO:

To save me wading through one hundred pages of the price tracker thread, from what you saw at Lairg, what's your verdict on the coming store trade please?
Nooooo no no no, dressing a good tup is a joy, for the record any that make it to the dressing stage have only made it that far by being correct enough to have been kept that long, and used at home as shearlings and bred well. You take an undressed tup to any Cheviot sale and you are making an idiot of yourself, end of. Selling privately is a different story, but to make any decent money at that you need to have a decent reputation…..which is normally gained by selling good tups at sales!

I wasn’t at that sale last year but if I recall it was a strong sale last year, so for it to be up again this year then it’s surely a good sign, especially the money some of the smaller lambs were making, shouted confidence to me
 

Guleesh

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Nooooo no no no, dressing a good tup is a joy, for the record any that make it to the dressing stage have only made it that far by being correct enough to have been kept that long, and used at home as shearlings and bred well. You take an undressed tup to any Cheviot sale and you are making an idiot of yourself, end of. Selling privately is a different story, but to make any decent money at that you need to have a decent reputation…..which is normally gained by selling good tups at sales!

I wasn’t at that sale last year but if I recall it was a strong sale last year, so for it to be up again this year then it’s surely a good sign, especially the money some of the smaller lambs were making, shouted confidence to me
I did consider starting my own thread to decry the practice, but actually it doesn't offend me much, I'm not knocking it really, a well dressed tup is a thing of beauty. Sadly though, I've seen many spectacular looking tups that are barely recognisable as the same animal once their wool has grown in a bit and they're back in their 'working clothes'. Dressing can hide or play down conformation flaws. None of my tups suffer from this of course, as I never bought a well dressed decent looking tup yet... But thankfully you report that smaller lambs are still doing well so seems like I've got away with it for another year....
 

Macsky

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I did consider starting my own thread to decry the practice, but actually it doesn't offend me much, I'm not knocking it really, a well dressed tup is a thing of beauty. Sadly though, I've seen many spectacular looking tups that are barely recognisable as the same animal once their wool has grown in a bit and they're back in their 'working clothes'. Dressing can hide or play down conformation flaws. None of my tups suffer from this of course, as I never bought a well dressed decent looking tup yet... But thankfully you report that smaller lambs are still doing well so seems like I've got away with it for another year....
It’s certainly a risk, but there’s not much worth having in life that doesn’t come with a degree of risk.

The more you get involved tho the more you’re aware of what can be done, the more you reduce your risk of buying a dud.
 

neilo

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Ooh I like it. An opportunity to get into the next great pyramid scheme before it’s even started.👍 Do you think you’ll be able to make them pretty, maybe with some dark wool, or better still, with spots?

Have you thought of a slogan yet? How about ‘Texels, but slower getting there’?;)
 

Nithsdale

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Ooh I like it. An opportunity to get into the next great pyramid scheme before it’s even started.👍 Do you think you’ll be able to make them pretty, maybe with some dark wool, or better still, with spots?

Have you thought of a slogan yet? How about ‘Texels, but slower getting there’?;)

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Nithsdale

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Bugger. They’re heartbreakers alright ime. Absolute peaches, until they drop dead for no reason.:(

Nah. He's an ugly whure so it's no real loss. His lambs are pretty good but were a bit bald at birth.. the other ram is so much better


But short life - it's a built in insurance for repeat customers. All the top breeds do it... I mean dying is the 1 desirable trait of a Blue Leicester
 

neilo

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nothin drops dead for no reason so what is it with them and their bad rep ? :unsure:

I fancy a Chartex this season tbh.

They have too many structural problems, and too many breeders that are happy to treat things like Texel Throat and not cull them, meaning the genetic condition never gets eradicated.
Little will amongst most breeders to even acknowledge those problems, let alone address them.

I’m sure there will be exceptions though, but the breed generally seems to be in denial of longevity problems.
 
They have too many structural problems, and too many breeders that are happy to treat things like Texel Throat and not cull them, meaning the genetic condition never gets eradicated.
Little will amongst most breeders to even acknowledge those problems, let alone address them.

I’m sure there will be exceptions though, but the breed generally seems to be in denial of longevity problems.
That's why it's a good idea to try and breed some of your own.
 

BAF

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They have too many structural problems, and too many breeders that are happy to treat things like Texel Throat and not cull them, meaning the genetic condition never gets eradicated.
Little will amongst most breeders to even acknowledge those problems, let alone address them.

I’m sure there will be exceptions though, but the breed generally seems to be in denial of longevity problems.
Whats Texe throat?
 

unlacedgecko

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Whats Texe throat?
Science answer


Shorter answer


Short answer
Texel and beltex predisposed to a disease which makes lesions form on their larynx, restricting their airway and quickly killing them.
 

Bury the Trash

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Whats Texe throat?
Laryngeal chondritis,
Science answer


Shorter answer


Short answer
Texel and beltex predisposed to a disease which makes lesions form on their larynx, restricting their airway and quickly killing them.
and quite likely more common but a bit less reported would be slowly killing them with a partially restricted airway and also making them more susceptible to Pneumonia types.

i suppose Could just be called Poor neck/respiration genetics :cautious:


course it could be argued that that's no different than people breeding them slobbery snotty dogs ,who's right/wrong the breeders or the buyers ? chicken and egg scenario/vicious circle all over again.
 
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Bury the Trash

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I did, reared without concentrates and culling anything with an issue of any kind. It didn't leave many to sell and certainly not enough to leave a profit. :(
gonna have to get the violins out ina minute :ROFLMAO::oops:

got you better sheep in the long run though ;)


and feeding the Inlamb / lactating ewe is abit different than pushing on lambs with creep /further concetrate or cabbages :rolleyes: feeding surely
 

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