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No the way I look at it is (and I appreciate its mine alone(well almost)) just because he can't tie his own shoe laces, he automatically think's his staff can't either.

Been thinking about that job, the old chap wasn't really the problem it was the idle son, but think I'd still rather work for them than some one who thinks I need a financial advisor, and he's giving me a perk with gravel bags, one point I would make is the op is a CHESHIRE dairy farmer so you...

It was a well paid job at that time, there weren't other jobs available in the area which I'd of wanted, lack of confidence was I think the main problem at the start, with hindsight I should have stood my ground.

You go after a salaried job including pension, 72 hour week, 145 cows you have sole responsibility for, any spare time you have you work on the arable or with the 450 beef cattle, go for interview, agree that you take your holiday at lambing time so you can lamb your own ewes, and you have 3...

Could be, you come across as one of those smugg A........ L.........

How many employers have you worked for ? its surprising how many think they own you.

Yep that just about sums me up, spot on.

Actually two of my employers were worthy of respect, they were the one's who were honest, treated me with respect, both unfortunately now dead, but the one's son is on here, he was educated at Harrow and the cowman there was only allowed to go on holiday during term time, as he was the relief...

I think that just about sums up all bar one of my employers, during my 25 years of being an employee.

Nobody owns me.

But what benefit is it to the employee, because they've still to work just as hard as he'll find them another job, same money same amount of work, only difference might be, one of them will be made redundant as less work.

Can't understand why you think gravel bags are a perk ? yes they might shift them faster than tyres but unless you're letting them sit and have a cup of tea in the time saved, I'd have thought they'd be of no benefit to them, how many cows do you milk ? give them a lamb apiece and don't be so...

Don't get carried away thinking your not breaking any laws, because even if there isn't one they'll make one up, 37 years ago me and a mate loaded a reared calf in to a little Daihatsu pick up using a small bale of straw, some one blocked us in and phoned the rspca, went to court, £375 each for...

You sir are twisting my words, and I find it rather pathetic that you and your little mate have nothing better to do, than go through 6 years of post's and throw pathetic insult's, its a pity you two aren't as intelligent as you are arrogant.

But where does it say that people who lamb outside are too lazy to do a proper lambing ?

A reliable witness to what ???

Have a good laugh, like I said to @Woolless I'm not ashamed of trying.

I think your putting words in my mouth, not ashamed of working hard to achieve my goal, in fact the next chapter makes anything I've done in the past look like a walk in the park, but to my knowledge I have never said people who lamb outside are too lazy to do a proper lambing, we've tried...

Thanks, but I'm living in the past still, going forward it'll be 0%.

Out of curiosity what percentage of your income would be sub ? I'm on about 3%. Go out on your own with no sub and see how you get on.