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thank you .....much appreciated

Just to advise all my contacts here that I have left minshall construction, so will be silent on here for a while. Thanks for engaging with me and good luck as we hopefully pull out of the pandemic to a successful future for all. Thank you Brian

you could always put a line of razor wire on the top of fence (so long as above 1.8m and signage ) if there is a real issue with unwanted guests. Its legal and is the ultimate deterrent to would be climbers !!

There are some really good steel mesh panel systems about that are pretty secure vs. palisade and can be either bolted to slab or set in as you wish? try ( although plenty of others if you google) www.firstfence.co.uk good luck

Sadly not .....however, the way I would look at these things is that there is a shared responsibility and liability . If you as the client /site owner do little to reduce your responsibility then the greater the risk/liability if things go wrong. If you can demonstrate to both HSE and insurers...

From our perspective there are essentially 3 tiers of supply of buildings to farms: 1. supply building only- ie no erection/cladding included ( farmer to sort ) 2. supply building and offer names of sub contractors farmer can appoint directly ( we rarely offer this) 3. Supply building and...

and it continues......risk vs. reward( or serious injury perhaps)?

Sorry but my OP is not about politicians or unnecessary legislation , its about protecting the safety of people you have on your site and protecting yourselves from those that would take risks in return for a lower price. If farmers are happy with "cheapest gets it" as a basis to place business...

We have construction line gold which is a requirement for almost every council or Govt body. Some may consider it BS but it focusses behaviour and ultimately strengthens the culture in a business. We have never been asked for it by farmers but the culture is there so everyone benefits...

Sorry you had this experience but from what you describe I'd suggest you "didn't" employ a reputable firm after all?

Unfortunately not, but you can get greater peace of mind by appointing a contractor who is actively focussed on keeping their guys and others safe and who has safety at the forefront of their offering.... rather than risking safety as a way of winning more business.... supported perhaps...

more like race to possible injury or even death in the case being discussed!!!!

ridiculous and clearly unsafe!

not sure how you put roof sheets on from a telehandler or platform ..you have to be on the roof...hence need for nets.....the problem continues!!!

We do more that 70% of our business in the industrial sector and you wont get near a site without confirming RAMS,H&S training, machine driver training and the list goes on! I fully accept you may not have the time or inclination to go to this level ( even if HSE would prefer you did!) and...

my OP was to inform, so folk can hopefully be better equipped to ask the right questions of their contractor.......so the answer is to ask what is included and then compare all on the same basis. I would suggest make a list of questions and then ask the contractor to confirm what he is...

photo taken by a passing bank manager...even he could see this is unsafe? ....we lost this local project as our price was too high!

Sorry but I'm not suggesting you do anything you don't want to? My OP was sharing an outcome to site owners of employing cavalier tradesmen.....which we still see too often! You should not need to watch any responsible contractor...but you should always appoint one?

I would suggest that the responsibility for what happens on our properties/sites/farms is ours ultimately. Guys walking around on steel at height with no obvious safety protection in place is still too common and you don't have to be a expert to know that is unsafe when you see it? Surely if...

As you can see from the original post, ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law? My point in raising this is that in our experience too many farmers go straight to the cheapest price and fail to scrutinise why it maybe cheaper!....... There is little difference in the costs of steel, cold...