pgk
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I assume by their large bikes and larger girths the riders are nearer my age than my sons
there are lies damn lies and statisticsFrom memory I believe the police trainer advised me to become a defensive rider, original post advised biker rode over blind hill, query over both his speed and speed limit, trainer advised to assume in those circumstances a lorry jackknifed over brow! No one is suggesting 100% of bike accidents are bikers fault, what is clear from both comments here and more convincingly accident reports is that in serious RTA,s involving bikes, excessive speed for the road or conditions in most cases a factor. Tffers posts simply reinforce the reality of the statistics.
From memory I believe the police trainer advised me to become a defensive rider, original post advised biker rode over blind hill, query over both his speed and speed limit, trainer advised to assume in those circumstances a lorry jackknifed over brow! No one is suggesting 100% of bike accidents are bikers fault, what is clear from both comments here and more convincingly accident reports is that in serious RTA,s involving bikes, excessive speed for the road or conditions in most cases a factor. Tffers posts simply reinforce the reality of the statistics.
Fair play to you for coming on here and putting your side acrossPlease allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible
thanks for posting its always good to here all of the storyPlease allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible
Please allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible
is that an offence or just a mitigating circumstanceSo (disregarding who is paying compensation) the only offence you made was using the wrong gate? if so what happens in future if the other gate is dug out?.. round here the council takes dim view of you opening another field entrance to the highway.
is that an offence or just a mitigating circumstance
Perhaps this case if nothing else good comes from it could be used in a way to support farmers moving gateways for safety reasons, the trouble is anything to do with the council is slow and costly and devoid of much common senseSo (disregarding who is paying compensation) the only offence you made was using the wrong gate? if so what happens in future if the other gate is dug out?.. round here the council takes dim view of you opening another field entrance to the highway.
if its an offence to use your entrance we are all going to be f**ked especially round here I've got entrances that have been here for hundreds of years on bends into lanes on brows of hills etc and there is no way we would be able to move themIf he does end up paying then it must have been an offence, it will get to the point contractors take digger with them and construct new gateways in safer places... then councils will be liable for accidents on blind bends etc