£1 million compensation claim by Isle of Wight biker

Lofty1984

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South wales
I'm not defending the mindless few I've mates that are pretty stupid but it gets on my wick when the assumption is always "oh another biker killed he/she must Of been going to fast" I've had a few close calls and I can hand on heart say I was not at fault one I recall is a car turning right as I came around a bend he was already on the wrong side of the road 20 yards before the turning now I'd bet my life on if I'd have hit him you would all automatically think " bikers fault bet he came around the bend too quick "
 

pgk

Member
From memory I believe the police trainer advised me to become a defensive rider, original post advised biker rode over blind hill, query over both his speed and speed limit, trainer advised to assume in those circumstances a lorry jackknifed over brow! No one is suggesting 100% of bike accidents are bikers fault, what is clear from both comments here and more convincingly accident reports is that in serious RTA,s involving bikes, excessive speed for the road or conditions in most cases a factor. Tffers posts simply reinforce the reality of the statistics.
 

roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
From memory I believe the police trainer advised me to become a defensive rider, original post advised biker rode over blind hill, query over both his speed and speed limit, trainer advised to assume in those circumstances a lorry jackknifed over brow! No one is suggesting 100% of bike accidents are bikers fault, what is clear from both comments here and more convincingly accident reports is that in serious RTA,s involving bikes, excessive speed for the road or conditions in most cases a factor. Tffers posts simply reinforce the reality of the statistics.
there are lies damn lies and statistics
 

Wristpin

New Member
Location
Kent
Its "open season" for bikes on a couple of roads here on the Romney Marsh and on the local news this evening it is reported that in a collision between a bike and a car the two occupants of the car and the biker were killed on one of them.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Tolerance required all round IMO

Every class of vehicle and horse requires skill and care

Fact is a biker, child on a bike or in a pram or horse rider will be proportionately more vulnerable

The Highway Code is a very good start for good motoring practice and I believe every category of driver benefits from advanced training and experience
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
From memory I believe the police trainer advised me to become a defensive rider, original post advised biker rode over blind hill, query over both his speed and speed limit, trainer advised to assume in those circumstances a lorry jackknifed over brow! No one is suggesting 100% of bike accidents are bikers fault, what is clear from both comments here and more convincingly accident reports is that in serious RTA,s involving bikes, excessive speed for the road or conditions in most cases a factor. Tffers posts simply reinforce the reality of the statistics.

There's no such thing as a Road Traffic Accident these days, just a Road Traffic Collision. There's always someone at fault which is a sad fact in today's litigious society.

One thing my advanced driving instructor taught me - "always be prepared to meet yourself coming the other way & drive accordingly." Wise words.
 

shag

New Member
Location
Isle of Wight
Please allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible
 

Lofty1984

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South wales
Please allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible
Fair play to you for coming on here and putting your side across (y)
 

roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
Please allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible
thanks for posting its always good to here all of the story
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Please allow me to introduce myself....I am the tractor driver involved in this accident. The reason this particular tractor was not insured was purely a clerical error, as in the registration number insured was not that of the tractor in question, so either my secretary at the time, who has a law degree, or the NFU misheard the number given out over the phone. My advise here is always email the numbers so errors are less likely to be made.Just as an end note when I checked my fleet list recently there were 7 tractors insured, I only have 6 and I was still insuring a combine I traded in a year ago!!!
The accident involved 2 bike riders riding very fast over the brow of a hill, the rider Mr Buswell smashed into the side of my T 8.390...12 tons of it...and made it rock violently from side to side.The other rider lost it and slid along the grass verge and under the trailer and out the other side escaping any serious injury.
The 3 day trial in the High court in London was basically about myself and the MIB arguing that they were travelling much too fast...which they admitted and them arguing that the entrance/exit was dangerous
and that I could have used an alternative gateway bearing in mind this was the most direct route and one we have been using since 1982 without any incident.
Whilst Judgement has not been passed it is quite clear that I will be shelling out money to two riders who regularly played with fire and got burnt, so what message does this send out to farmers and contractors all over the country? it is this, that they can go out on a Sunday morning pretending to be Valentino Rossi or Guy Martin (which they will never be) without any impunity what so ever and us the hard working farmers and contractors will suffer the consequences.
I could tell you a lot more about this case but I think I have probably said enough, all I will say is please be as careful as you can, and make gateways as wide and clear as possible

So (disregarding who is paying compensation) the only offence you made was using the wrong gate? if so what happens in future if the other gate is dug out?.. round here the council takes dim view of you opening another field entrance to the highway.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Thank you for posting in here.

Due to sub judice It might not be best to pass too much comment yet! ;)

Let's hope common sense prevails.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Even in an email a mistake can be made.

I've had a tractor removed by the NFU by mistake. Where would i have stood if I hadn't noticed their error?

Lessons to be learnt by us all. check and double check documentation.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
So (disregarding who is paying compensation) the only offence you made was using the wrong gate? if so what happens in future if the other gate is dug out?.. round here the council takes dim view of you opening another field entrance to the highway.
Perhaps this case if nothing else good comes from it could be used in a way to support farmers moving gateways for safety reasons, the trouble is anything to do with the council is slow and costly and devoid of much common sense
 

roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
If he does end up paying then it must have been an offence, it will get to the point contractors take digger with them and construct new gateways in safer places... then councils will be liable for accidents on blind bends etc
if its an offence to use your entrance we are all going to be f**ked especially round here I've got entrances that have been here for hundreds of years on bends into lanes on brows of hills etc and there is no way we would be able to move them
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
How did we ever manage coming out of gateways with horses and carts when you couldn't see up and down the road until the horse was in the road!

Can we see a multitude of applications for new field entrances that councils can not refuse!

Who do bikers expect to sue when a deer/bird/rabbit/bee hits them because they are not riding to the road situation?
 

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