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gatepost

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We will run out of things to slag off.................eventually
Never, at least he didn't cost £200000 , how about a page a month of ownership
 

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Enry

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Shropshire
Monensin used to be available here for use as a coccidiostat, and very good it was too. It suppressed the cocci, rather than killing them all like the more expensive Deccox does, so animals built a natural resistance to cocci.
I seem to remember the ‘major’ growth promotion was reckoned to be about 5% on dlwg, and it could be argued that the improvement in feed efficiency is good for the environment. Monensin had no detrimental effect on animal health and is still used widely in US feedlots I believe. If it became legal in the UK again, i’d Certainly use it in feed blocks for sheep again, as we used to in order to control cocci.

It won’t be the monensin in the turkey pellets that causes any issues, but more likely the ad-lib feeding of very high levels of cereals & soya generally, which acidifies the system and lays down high levels of fat in the body, most damaging around the internal organs and the testicles. Feeding very high levels of those ‘pedigree’ coarse rations over prolonged periods will be very bit as damaging I suspect.
I wasn't suggesting that monensin would cause any issues, just that turkey feed is being used to get a product in which is not licenced and therefore illegal to use??
 

gatepost

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Cotswolds
heartbreaking , was it throat issue ? .
Yes afraid so, I have had a reasonable run lately, but until it is taken seriously as an issue within the higher echelons, it will continue to crop up, at least we can report his no to the society who are building up a genetic picture, but who will admit to having had one?
 

andybk

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Mendips Somerset
Yes afraid so, I have had a reasonable run lately, but until it is taken seriously as an issue within the higher echelons, it will continue to crop up, at least we can report his no to the society who are building up a genetic picture, but who will admit to having had one?
needs data for sure notgood selling animals with genetic issues into commercial market on a breed level the entire society is at risk .
 
Never, at least he didn't cost £200000 , how about a page a month of ownership
I bought one out of Carlisle a few years ago for around £1k a shearling. Turned up short of wind the next morning. The wife rang up the auctioneer and he advised to ring the seller for a refund. Our vet had been in attendance. They paid some of the money around £800 ish which I thought was ok
 

andybk

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Mendips Somerset
Im not trying to be contentious , is it a big thing in the breed ? or is it certain types like short / long necks, big heads . or over feeding getting them to fat in the neck , just trying to educate myself on texels / sheep in general, i have seen it in charollais (and they would have had imported herritage ) maybe 30 years ago , not since .any other breeds affected ?
 

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
Im not trying to be contentious , is it a big thing in the breed ? or is it certain types like short / long necks, big heads . or over feeding getting them to fat in the neck , just trying to educate myself on texels / sheep in general, i have seen it in charollais (and they would have had imported herritage ) maybe 30 years ago , not since .any other breeds affected ?

Not noticed it in the Baber or NZ texels. But then, I'm not sure they are pedigree.
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
Im not trying to be contentious , is it a big thing in the breed ? or is it certain types like short / long necks, big heads . or over feeding getting them to fat in the neck , just trying to educate myself on texels / sheep in general, i have seen it in charollais (and they would have had imported herritage ) maybe 30 years ago , not since .any other breeds affected ?


Short necks.

It is, or was, really bad in Beltex too
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Short necks.

It is, or was, really bad in Beltex too

It still is I think. I hear of some breeders that have the steroid jabs on hand ready, as they use them so much.
Unless those lines are killed out, it’s not going to get better. If you sell that ‘good’ ram that’s been treated for several £k, then his genes get more widespread and the problem gets worse, not better.
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
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Mendips Somerset
Not noticed it in the Baber or NZ texels. But then, I'm not sure they are pedigree.
maybe clever enough to breed it out , as should be done .though the NZ texels would be a different shape to euro ones . would think with a bit of effort by society should be easy enough to breed out can only be so many lines , Problem i suppose would be if they belong to top clique .
 

andybk

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Location
Mendips Somerset
The ones i’ve Seen certainly aren’t thickset sheep with short necks;), so I would think less susceptible anyway.

It mostly seems to effect those types that might get close to breeding E grades out of mules.
The charollais ones i saw were very thick set blocky rams , was very distressing ,wasnt that extrem texel shape though , only seemed a summer problem misty mornings and evenings , it would be very interesting to see a PM and how the larynx was shaped and set in the throat ,or different issue with throat , as has been discussed before the texels have a different shaped pelvis ,
 
Im not trying to be contentious , is it a big thing in the breed ? or is it certain types like short / long necks, big heads . or over feeding getting them to fat in the neck , just trying to educate myself on texels / sheep in general, i have seen it in charollais (and they would have had imported herritage ) maybe 30 years ago , not since .any other breeds affected ?
I think it’s how they are bred. In other words if the sire of the tups sold goes down with it the likley hood is that it’s progeny will turn up with it too.
 

scottish-lleyn

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Mixed Farmer
The charollais ones i saw were very thick set blocky rams , was very distressing ,wasnt that extrem texel shape though , only seemed a summer problem misty mornings and evenings , it would be very interesting to see a PM and how the larynx was shaped and set in the throat ,or different issue with throat , as has been discussed before the texels have a different shaped pelvis ,
a page on fb i follow i think its called farm post mortems did a post about texel thoat recently with comparison pics
 

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