‘New dairy entrants need a “big bang” approach’

llamedos

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New dairy entrants should adopt a ‘big bang’ approach, according to Richard Snell, a dairy consultant from New Zealand.

Speaking at a farm walk on the farm of Ed Dale, who has established a 450-cow dairy farm on rented land in Cheshire.

He praised the Dales for their “big bang” approach when taking on this new farm.

“It’s crucial to hit maximum production as quickly as possible, so invest heavily upfront.”

He said that this approach is especially important on a rented farm, as the time span for return on investment may be more limited than a purchased farm.

“Investment in a new 24/48 swing over Waikato parlour, 6km of cow tracks using concrete railway sleepers, a 60X32m self-feed silage clamp and 60ha of reseeding was carried out during the first few months of the lease.”


Converting Grass to Cash


Ed Dale said key to his system was to keep it as simple as possible and focus on making best use of assets and the farm’s ability to grow cheap feed – grass.

Ed has been renting the farm for less than two years and he runs a split herd of 350 autumn calving cows and 100 spring calvers. They are milked off a grazing platform of 177ha. The cows are currently producing 10,000 litres/day to a Tesco liquid milk contract.

The Dales currently milk over 2,000 cows on six farms.



Grassland Management

Houlston Manor is a very wet farm based on heavy yellow clay soils. On-off grazing in the shoulders and early housing in mid-October ensures that paddocks are not overly damaged.

Cows are out full time since April 8, which coincides with the farm’s ‘magic day’. Many of the paddocks were subsoiled and sward lifted last autumn and the benefits can be seen this spring with improved grass growth and drier paddocks, Ed said.

Last year a different approach was used when reseeding some paddocks. Seed was direct drilled after a silage cut. No pre or post spray was used. The old grass sward was topped regularly as the new seedlings emerged and establishment has been successful.

The benefit of the heavy farm is that grass growth always remains strong even in dry weather. A few paddocks are being taken out for silage to try and speed up the rotation to 25 days.

Winter Feeding
Winter feeding raised many questions from the crowd as the 350 autumn calvers are ‘self-fed’ off the silage clamps. The clamp is filled with first cut silage, maize silage and brewers grains.

A strip wire is placed in front of the feedface and the cows simply ‘strip graze’ the silage clamp.

It takes about four minutes for one man to feed 350 cows and you only need to move the wire daily, explained farm manager Neil Simcock.

The cows are allowed ad lib access to the clamp from the nearby cubicle sheds. Although the cows take a few weeks to train onto the ‘self feed’, the benefits are clear to see with Houlston Manor performing the best in milk and breeding results across all the Dale farms.

Only 11% of cows were empty after 11 weeks breeding.

“We’ve never seen the cows happier,” claimed the farm team. The only machinery on farm is a small tractor, yard scraper and an 100hp John Deere tractor and straw shredder.

Michael Cox, from Rathowen, Co. Westmeath, is a student of animal science at UCD. He won an ASA scholarships, sponsored by AIB, to help him undertake the work experience element of his course overseas, including the UK.

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Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
:eek:
What is it with you beef lads. Near neighbour is starting up this year as well 150ish I think.


Its a funny world...

Beef boys get into dairy and say they shouldve done it years ago...

Dairy boys get out and put beef on and wish theyd packed in milking a long time ago...

Whos right?


I just wish youd all bugger off out the sheep sector ;)
 
Out of interest. If I was in the same position setting up a 450 cow unit on rented land or a bought farm that needs converting and was going solely into milk production. What would be my best plan of attack?

Regardless of milk buyer and other business interests?

Under develop it with 200 cows and wait until milk price rises (and it will) then panic try and finish the development work and add more cows? Then by the time it's finally up to working capacity milk price with be low (that'll happen as well) Considering my land repayment and interest/rent are fixed.

OR set it up as quickly as possible. take the rough with the smooth and when Milk price rises(and it will) be ready to fully exploit it.

It's a rented farm if their going to make a success of it there is no point having it up and running in 5 years if it might be gone in 10 or 15 years.

@Beef farmer good on you mate
 
Out of interest. If I was in the same position setting up a 450 cow unit on rented land or a bought farm that needs converting and was going solely into milk production. What would be my best plan of attack?

Regardless of milk buyer and other business interests?

Under develop it with 200 cows and wait until milk price rises (and it will) then panic try and finish the development work and add more cows? Then by the time it's finally up to working capacity milk price with be low (that'll happen as well) Considering my land repayment and interest/rent are fixed.

OR set it up as quickly as possible. take the rough with the smooth and when Milk price rises(and it will) be ready to fully exploit it.

It's a rented farm if their going to make a success of it there is no point having it up and running in 5 years if it might be gone in 10 or 15 years.

@Beef farmer good on you mate
I'd go full bore from day one, if you could afford to, problem is if you hit a rough patch and end up back peddling, on borrowed money, it could take you longer to get back there than if you started half mast(got the T shirt)
 
Out of interest. If I was in the same position setting up a 450 cow unit on rented land or a bought farm that needs converting and was going solely into milk production. What would be my best plan of attack?

Regardless of milk buyer and other business interests?

Under develop it with 200 cows and wait until milk price rises (and it will) then panic try and finish the development work and add more cows? Then by the time it's finally up to working capacity milk price with be low (that'll happen as well) Considering my land repayment and interest/rent are fixed.

OR set it up as quickly as possible. take the rough with the smooth and when Milk price rises(and it will) be ready to fully exploit it.

It's a rented farm if their going to make a success of it there is no point having it up and running in 5 years if it might be gone in 10 or 15 years.

@Beef farmer good on you mate
I could bore you all to tears with the reasons and time scale of how we got into milk, but all I will say is now is the time to get in to it full swing, we bought all our equipment from one farm, including a 32,000 litre out door silo, mag tanks cake bins, even had the office chair. 20/40 westphalia full auto id, with feed to yield for about 1/3 of the cost of just the bulk tank. All the equipment is between 5-10 years old. Wouldn't have done that if milk was 30+ppl. And now we have a great selection of cows to look at, seen as there is dispersal after dispersal. We are buying bottom end cows, and there averaging less than I am trading fat cattle out for, the reason we are buying bottom end is that I will make mistakes and killing a cow in st merryn when she only cost 1000 isn't a huge penalty.
 

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
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Allegedly, if you need an 'expert',Cheshire is the place to go!
Yesterday our discussion group visited another members new second unit,not Tesco,could see critical mass important on tenanted farm,even with relatively low spend.
 

PSQ

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Dragon

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Cornwall
Got annoyed reading it after hearing they had 2000 cows a tesco contract and a manager?!?

If any young person managed to get half as far as that it would be them dragging their mates and OH in to help them! Not a sodding manager.

the Dales started off smallish cant remember exactly, 2002 something like 120 cows when Ed came home to farm from school, a young farmer with family behind and a good team backing him. a lot can be learnt by the way they do business,
 
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