“The animal agriculture industry is not long for this world”

[delilah]

You are all complete fuggin muppets. You do know that don't you.

 

[DaveGrohl]

You are all complete fuggin muppets. You do know that don't you.

All? In what respect are you calling "all" of us muppets?

 

[delilah]

All? In what respect are you calling "all" of us muppets?

Apologies.
@Bald Rick you are a complete fuggin muppet. You do know that, don't you ?

 

[jendan]

Sounds like him but I was thinking about an American general or chief of defence making a speech a few years ago.

Think it was Donald Rumpsfeld.He died a while back...................Could be wrong though.

 

[Bald Rick]

Apologies.
@Bald Rick you are a complete fuggin muppet. You do know that, don't you ?

I’m afraid you are going to have to elucidated my friend

 

[Ball acre]

You are all complete fuggin muppets. You do know that don't you.

Fugg off

 

[delilah]

I’m afraid you are going to have to elucidated my friend

You give the impression that feed additives to reduce methane as belched by cows is something to be welcomed, rather than resisted. Could you expand on your thinking.

 

[Enfoff]

I read somewhere that 85% of current domestic livestock methane production in USA was being produced in the USA before Europeans arrived by all the bison, elk etc that inhabited the land and were subsequently greatly reduced in number by European settlers. A scientist had calculated it by working out estimated numbers and their methane production.

A guy called Dave Stanley did a lot of work on this. He is a big advocate of all grass fed beef.

 

[Bald Rick]

You give the impression that feed additives to reduce methane as belched by cows is something to be welcomed, rather than resisted. Could you expand on your thinking.

Yes indeedy

We are all constantly being told that we “must do something“ to aid the planet, and that ruminants are being demonised as devil creatures belching out GHG at copious levels.

Further, this government has ordered big business to publish their plans to become carbon neutral by 2023.

Most of us will be supplying “big business” somewhere along the line

Ergo, if adding small amounts of a feed additive takes the heat off our ruminants and gives U.K. ag some kudos then I will happily give my cows a bit of weed

 

[Bald Rick]

Apologies.
@Bald Rick you are a complete fuggin muppet. You do know that, don't you ?

… and can I be Animal please?

 

[Bogweevil]

If its any help, the future for insect and fish farming is very bright.

I will let myself out.

 

[delilah]

Yes indeedy

We are all constantly being told that we “must do something“ to aid the planet, and that ruminants are being demonised as devil creatures belching out GHG at copious levels.

Further, this government has ordered big business to publish their plans to become carbon neutral by 2023.

Most of us will be supplying “big business” somewhere along the line

Ergo, if adding small amounts of a feed additive takes the heat off our ruminants and gives U.K. ag some kudos then I will happily give my cows a bit of weed

So a two tier industry then:
good beef, reared indoors on a controlled diet including this additive.
bad beef, reared outdoors on grass ergo no additive.
Got it.

 

[Bald Rick]

So a two tier industry then:
good beef, reared indoors on a controlled diet including this additive.
bad beef, reared outdoors on grass ergo no additive.
Got it.

whether you like it or not my green friend, I think you’ll find we will be “encouraged“ down this route

 

[delilah]

Yes indeedy

We are all constantly being told that we “must do something“ to aid the planet, and that ruminants are being demonised as devil creatures belching out GHG at copious levels.

Further, this government has ordered big business to publish their plans to become carbon neutral by 2023.

Most of us will be supplying “big business” somewhere along the line

Ergo, if adding small amounts of a feed additive takes the heat off our ruminants and gives U.K. ag some kudos then I will happily give my cows a bit of weed

You accept the premise, then, that methane belched by cows is causing climate change ? Any thoughts on the wider implications for your business in accepting that ?

 

[delilah]

whether you like it or not my green friend, I think you’ll find we will be “encouraged“ down this route

So you're throwing the towel in ? Fair enough. I can't debate with a quitter.

 

[Bald Rick]

If its any help, the future for insect and fish farming is very bright.

I will let myself out.

Yes, I’ve said it before. As soon as we are allowed to use insect protein, I will investigate growing black soldier flies

 

[Bald Rick]

You accept the premise, then, that methane belched by cows is causing climate change ? Any thoughts on the wider implications for your business in accepting that ?

So you're throwing the towel in ? Fair enough. I can't debate with a quitter.

I am not a climate scientist so I have to accept their word that methane is a harmful GHG and that ruminants do indeed belch it out due to enteric fermentation in their gut.

Actually, my business is comparatively well placed as we have covered slurry lagoons and do a number of other emission mitigations

If adding a small amount of seaweed gives me an incremental advantage over others, then so be it.

I don’t like it but I think U.K. agriculture will have to do some actions … and it is far better that these are voluntary rather than coersive

 

[Bald Rick]

Oh, and another thought @delilah

Thinking about the OP, would you not agree that if it comes to it, a small amount of seaweed fed to animals is better than any amount of lab grown gloop?

 

[delilah]

Oh, and another thought @delilah

Thinking about the OP, would you not agree that if it comes to it, a small amount of seaweed fed to animals is better than any amount of lab grown gloop?

You don't really think it would stop at that, do you ? That if we do one little thing, and show willingness to do so, the cartel will leave it at that ? You don't think that they will keep piling it on, layer after layer, as they exploit your willingness to be their greenwash ?
Not just a quitter then, but a hopelessly naive one.
(sorry, you need to know this isn't personal, i'm just sick to the back teeth of it all)

 

[delilah]

I am not a climate scientist so I have to accept their word that methane is a harmful GHG and that ruminants do indeed belch it out due to enteric fermentation in their gut.

It's a lie. The 'methane from cows is harmful' bit.