“We hold all the cards”

What ever did become of one of the many mantras of the Brexiteer Mullahs, “we hold all the cards”?
Just asking for a friend….
i think youve misinterpreted goves speech,he was referring to the pace of triggering article 50,as it happened t may rushed in before she had an idea of what brexit sould be
 

Muck Spreader

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similar to remain then, though i thought brexit was take back control of our laws borders and trade
Not at all, remain was the status quo, therefore we all knew where we stood at least in the short to medium term. Brexit meant many different things, you have pointed out what it meant to you. To others it was about; removing migrants, sovereignty, not giving money to the EU, EU financial rules, fishing rights, EU stealing our jobs, loss of Englishness, EU generic rule and laws, the ECJ etc, there are probably hundreds more some genuine and many others fallacious.
 
Not at all, remain was the status quo, therefore we all knew where we stood at least in the short to medium term. Brexit meant many different things, you have pointed out what it meant to you. To others it was about; removing migrants, sovereignty, not giving money to the EU, EU financial rules, fishing rights, EU stealing our jobs, loss of Englishness, EU generic rule and laws, the ECJ etc, there are probably hundreds more some genuine and many others fallacious.
they all promised reform to curb the known failings but with no ideas of how
not just me that was the slogan that was voted for ,obviously like remainers ,leavers had multiple ideas and concerns, obviously a second home owner with a place in the eu had a different view to a worker in south yorkshire whose local distribution hub that was staffed by agency eastern europeans, but in the end they voted for sovereignty ie take back control of our laws borders and trade
 

robs1

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Not at all, remain was the status quo, therefore we all knew where we stood at least in the short to medium term. Brexit meant many different things, you have pointed out what it meant to you. To others it was about; removing migrants, sovereignty, not giving money to the EU, EU financial rules, fishing rights, EU stealing our jobs, loss of Englishness, EU generic rule and laws, the ECJ etc, there are probably hundreds more some genuine and many others fallacious.
There is no such thing as the status quo in the EU, just after the vote Juncker said the answer to the vote was more EU not less, there is a continual move to a single super state, obviously that's not this year or in five but that IS the direction of travel, we now have the european defence force, which of course is not an army which they denied was going to happen. Plenty more examples of more central control.
If there is a EU wide vote for a single state then fine,France for one would never vote for that but the french are walking in that direction step by step,
 

robs1

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An interesting political analysis on euronews yesterday.
"The British people are now slowly beginning to realise that the 30 years of lies they have been told about the EU were just that, lies. They are seeing the reality of being outside the EU and they don't like it."
How many millions did they ask?
 
An interesting political analysis on euronews yesterday.
"The British people are now slowly beginning to realise that the 30 years of lies they have been told about the EU were just that, lies. They are seeing the reality of being outside the EU and they don't like it."
i think thats wishful thinking rather than reality, if anything eu actions towards uk and its vaccine farce have increased the sense of its best out
the only lie about the eu is politicians since before we joined lied that the eu was never about losing sovereignty and not about constant further integration,just trade and cooperation,after the lisbon treaty it was hard to deny anymore
 

Henarar

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remain was the status quo, therefore we all knew where we stood at least in the short to medium term. Brexit meant many different things,
"The British people are now slowly beginning to realise that the 30 years of lies they have been told about the EU were just that, lies.
remain first time round was sold on the EEC being just a trading group
now what was it you were saying about lies
yep one big load of lies it was to
 

Muck Spreader

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There is no such thing as the status quo in the EU, just after the vote Juncker said the answer to the vote was more EU not less, there is a continual move to a single super state, obviously that's not this year or in five but that IS the direction of travel, we now have the european defence force, which of course is not an army which they denied was going to happen. Plenty more examples of more central control.
If there is a EU wide vote for a single state then fine,France for one would never vote for that but the french are walking in that direction step by step,

You have answered you own question. The EU will go where its members want it to go, which maybe closer integration or less , but its sovereign member states will still retain their identities. The important thing is that the EU and the US maintain their dominant positions in the world as the places that make and set the global rules and standards. If they weaken, these centres of power this will slip into the hands of the growing Asian superpowers and Russia, which I suspect will be bad news for all democratic countries.

I don't have a problem with a European force, after all we have be quite happy for sixty years with a European force (Nato) which is controlled by a country on the other side of the world.
 
You have answered you own question. The EU will go where its members want it to go, which maybe closer integration or less , but its sovereign member states will still retain their identities. The important thing is that the EU and the US maintain their dominant positions in the world as the places that make and set the global rules and standards. If they weaken, these centres of power this will slip into the hands of the growing Asian superpowers and Russia, which I suspect will be bad news for all democratic countries.

I don't have a problem with a European force, after all we have be quite happy for sixty years with a European force (Nato) which is controlled by a country on the other side of the world.
eu will go were germany and france will allow it to ,eu isnt really necessary a strong usa and coalition of other democracies is
nato was allways able to react quickly, the eu would make it a farce, as happened when nato had to bail the eu out in kosovo
 
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Muck Spreader

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eu will go were germany and france will allow it to ,eu isnt really necessary a strong usa and coalition other other democracies is
nato was allways able to react quickly, the eu would make it a farce, as happened when nato had to bail the eu out in kosovo

I can't understand you first sentence.

Why would the EU make NATO a farce as it it primarily made up of EU members and what has the EU got to do with Kosavo?
 

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