“We hold all the cards”

[robs1]

You have answered you own question. The EU will go where its members want it to go, which maybe closer integration or less , but its sovereign member states will still retain their identities. The important thing is that the EU and the US maintain their dominant positions in the world as the places that make and set the global rules and standards. If they weaken, these centres of power this will slip into the hands of the growing Asian superpowers and Russia, which I suspect will be bad news for all democratic countries.

I don't have a problem with a European force, after all we have be quite happy for sixty years with a European force (Nato) which is controlled by a country on the other side of the world.

It will go where its leaders want it to go very very different, you seem to be in total denial as to the history of where it has gone from the original iron and steel group, via the eec, common market to the eu , how many times has the uk had a vote on the changes, how many times did Ireland, they vote no and were told to vote again and give the right answer, several other countries voted things down but there you all are with them slipped in bit by bit, were the french asked if they wanted the euro ? We were lucky that brown talked Blair out of us joining, I have never seen a suggestion that we would have been given a vote on it, there isnt much more central to a country than its currency.

 

[Ashtree]

It will go where its leaders want it to go very very different, you seem to be in total denial as to the history of where it has gone from the original iron and steel group, via the eec, common market to the eu , how many times has the uk had a vote on the changes, how many times did Ireland, they vote no and were told to vote again and give the right answer,

Bull manure…

 

[bobk]

An interesting political analysis on euronews yesterday.
"The British people are now slowly beginning to realise that the 30 years of lies they have been told about the EU were just that, lies. They are seeing the reality of being outside the EU and they don't like it."

They're not , 100%

 

[robs1]

Bull manure…

Go on then how many countries have voted no to something that has not happened or reappeared under a new guise.
Did Ireland have a referendum on dumping the punt ?

 

[Henarar]

Go on then how many countries have voted no to something that has not happened or reappeared under a new guise.
Did Ireland have a referendum on dumping the punt ?

At least Ireland got a ref on some things, which is more than our miserable twisted lot would do, then you see them on the telly wondering why folk voted to get the feck out, twas the only chance we was going to ever get with our remoaning lot in charge

 

[BrianV]

Bull manure…

The problem is once countries had been locked into the Euro there is virtually no escape, that was the real plan in the first place, as usual the Brits rocked the boat, do you really believe the likes of Greece would stay in the EU if they still had their own currency. The Swiss were more switched on than the other EU countries.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

An interesting political analysis on euronews yesterday.
"The British people are now slowly beginning to realise that the 30 years of lies they have been told about the EU were just that, lies. They are seeing the reality of being outside the EU and they don't like it."

As an impartial 3rd party, I can't see what the problem is, the UK is out of the "EU" and therefore with regard to trade means it has to be done under WTO rules for BOTH sides. Cut the ongoing bullshìt, harden up and just get on with it.

 

[stewart]

As an impartial 3rd party, I can't see what the problem is, the UK is out of the "EU" and therefore with regard to trade means it has to be done under WTO rules for BOTH sides. Cut the ongoing bullshìt, harden up and just get on with it.

The UK has done a trade deal with the EU that is more advantageous than WTO, they can of course renege on that deal and go WTO, that would not reduce the requirements to meet EU standards or the paperwork. Unfortunately they believed their own spin that they held all the cards, reality was they were in a weak negotiating position.

 

[jamesmartin]

The UK has done a trade deal with the EU that is more advantageous than WTO, they can of course renege on that deal and go WTO, that would not reduce the requirements to meet EU standards or the paperwork. Unfortunately they believed their own spin that they held all the cards, reality was they were in a weak negotiating position.

meet eu standards ? of course the uk does, the eu is been difficult checking every single item etc which creates delays,whilst stuff from china flows by trust and paper work as most of the worlds imports do

 

[Henarar]

meet eu standards ? of course the uk does, the eu is been difficult checking every single item etc which creates delays,whilst stuff from china flows by trust and paper work as most of the worlds imports do

Finicky sh1ts makes you glad your out

 

[stewart]

The problem is once countries had been locked into the Euro there is virtually no escape, that was the real plan in the first place, as usual the Brits rocked the boat, do you really believe the likes of Greece would stay in the EU if they still had their own currency. The Swiss were more switched on than the other EU countries.

The Euro makes sense in a large trading area, you know exactly what you are paying without having the vagaries of Forex to worry about. The UK did not join as the thieving b@stards in the City of London would have lost out on a large potion of their spread rates when exchanging currency, along with the misery they poured on innocent business owners trying to make a living exporting, whilst the said b@stards played with currency like it was a game of monopoly.

 

[stewart]

meet eu standards ? of course the uk does, the eu is been difficult checking every single item etc which creates delays,whilst stuff from china flows by trust and paper work as most of the worlds imports do

The UK may meet EU standards, as a third country this has to have the accompanying paperwork as proof that it does. Every country that exports to the EU goes through this process, with systems in place to speed up the passage through customs.
The EU is not being difficult in asking the same of the UK, it is the UK that did not prepare itself for the inevitable, mistakingly thinking they did not need to as "They need us more than we need them" and "We hold all the cards"

 

[jamesmartin]

The Euro makes sense in a large trading area, you know exactly what you are paying without having the vagaries of Forex to worry about. The UK did not join as the thieving b@stards in the City of London would have lost out on a large potion of their spread rates when exchanging currency, along with the misery they poured on innocent business owners trying to make a living exporting, whilst the said b@stards played with currency like it was a game of monopoly.

the euro doesnt make sense ,having a fixed rate between diverse economies

 

[turbo]

The Euro makes sense in a large trading area, you know exactly what you are paying without having the vagaries of Forex to worry about. The UK did not join as the thieving b@stards in the City of London would have lost out on a large potion of their spread rates when exchanging currency, along with the misery they poured on innocent business owners trying to make a living exporting, whilst the said b@stards played with currency like it was a game of monopoly.

The euro only made sense for the Germans!, I doubt the greeks think it makes sense to their economy

 

[Ashtree]

The euro only made sense for the Germans!, I doubt the greeks think it makes sense to their economy

But small individual economies with their own independent currency, doesn’t necessarily always make sense either. Take the pandemic for example. Imagine the capacity of small countries like Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, etc, etc, to borrow efficiently to meet the cost! It would be almost impossible. The Euro bond Program has been a lifesaver for such countries.

 

[Muck Spreader]

the euro doesnt make sense ,having a fixed rate between diverse economies

That's a bit like saying that the Dollar doesn't make sense to the USA.

 

[Pasty]

That's a bit like saying that the Dollar doesn't make sense to the USA.

Well it doesn't. It's fake money and we shall see the consequences soon.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The euro only made sense for the Germans!, I doubt the greeks think it makes sense to their economy

Seventy-one per cent of Greeks supported remaining in the Euro at the time of the crises. Most Greeks had too much to loose if their money was turned into some valueless mickey mouse currency.

 

[jamesmartin]

That's a bit like saying that the Dollar doesn't make sense to the USA.

no it isnt usa is a federal republic ,taxes and services,welfare etc are spread across the whole republic,the richer states fund the poorer,the eu doesnt do that ,poorer nations suffer with too high currency value but without the benefit of shared taxation like the usa

 

[Pasty]

Seventy-one per cent of Greeks supported remaining in the Euro at the time of the crises. Most Greeks had too much to loose if their money was turned into some valueless mickey mouse currency.

They already have one.