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[bobk]

Qu'ils mangent du caramel

Good thread though , we like entertainment , tv is shite .

 

[le bon paysan]

The British Frozen Food Federation (BFFF) said new border controls on animal and plant products from the EU could see major delays at ports in the new year.

The UK imports five times the amount of food it exports to the EU, so the potential for massive delays and food supply issues in January is high

It's ok though, Boris and empress Liz are going to allow Champagne to be sold in Pint bottles!

 

[Hindsight]

The British Frozen Food Federation (BFFF) said new border controls on animal and plant products from the EU could see major delays at ports in the new year.

The UK imports five times the amount of food it exports to the EU, so the potential for massive delays and food supply issues in January is high

It's ok though, Boris and empress Liz are going to allow Champagne to be sold in Pint bottles!

Be waved on through once first spanish reefer has to park up.

 

[le bon paysan]

Be waved on through once first spanish reefer has to park up.

Mmmm.
I expect Boris thinks the WTO won't notice he's breaking it's rules and the TCA.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The British Frozen Food Federation (BFFF) said new border controls on animal and plant products from the EU could see major delays at ports in the new year.

The UK imports five times the amount of food it exports to the EU, so the potential for massive delays and food supply issues in January is high

It's ok though, Boris and empress Liz are going to allow Champagne to be sold in Pint bottles!

Bozza has got to have Champagne in pint bottles, so it can go into his key Brexit success of the year.

 

[manhill]

SO your stopping all imports from the EU! All the fruit and veg etc.
WTF are people going to eat?
You going picking veg! Thought not.
Hey Prittis going to let some Indians in, do they like cutting cabage.?

Oh God, what am I going to do? No Dutch tomatoes, no French wine, no bloody goat cheese. The end of the world is nigh!

 

[BrianV]

The British Frozen Food Federation (BFFF) said new border controls on animal and plant products from the EU could see major delays at ports in the new year.

The UK imports five times the amount of food it exports to the EU, so the potential for massive delays and food supply issues in January is high

It's ok though, Boris and empress Liz are going to allow Champagne to be sold in Pint bottles!

Thank goodness at least now finally the EU will suffer the same problems UK exporters have been living with, not sure shortages of EU products including pig products are going to be missed that much by the majority of people.
Maybe a little more common sense may hit EU leaders or is that simply wishful thinking!

 

[turbo]

Oh God, what am I going to do? No Dutch tomatoes, no French wine, no bloody goat cheese. The end of the world is nigh!

And they might be able to process our pigs rather than the carcasses that have been imported and caused a backlog on our farms

 

[robs1]

Not sure why importers/exporters are in a stew they've known for over two years what the situation was likely to be and have had plenty of time to get organised. It's a bit like a farmer turning up at a mill and not having his grain passport and RT stickers then complaining about it.

 

[BrianV]

Who could argue with a living wage.

But employers need a living profit & that is not easy.

Since Brexit most of retail now seems to be foreign owned. With the expection of ASDA which has come back home.

Everyone needs a living wage but it also comes with a cost, it's no use the majority then moaning when inflation goes through the roof to pay for these additional costs!
Parts of Switzerland are introducing a minimum wage of £18.50 per hr & it is crucifying businesses who can't pass that cost on!

 

[le bon paysan]

Thank goodness at least now finally the EU will suffer the same problems UK exporters have been living with, not sure shortages of EU products including pig products are going to be missed that much by the majority of people.
Maybe a little more common sense may hit EU leaders or is that simply wishful thinking!

Not sure why importers/exporters are in a stew they've known for over two years what the situation was likely to be and have had plenty of time to get organised. It's a bit like a farmer turning up at a mill and not having his grain passport and RT stickers then complaining about it.

So the incompetent uk government have not put the system in place and thats the EUs fault?
Outstanding.
You left, get on with it.

 

[caveman]

You left, get on with it.

So did you.
Go suck your own eggs.

 

[robs1]

So the incompetent uk government have not put the system in place and thats the EUs fault?
Outstanding.
You left, get on with it.

Did I mention the EU or UK governments? I said importers and exporters know the rules, it's their job to abide by them, not either governments.

 

[le bon paysan]

Did I mention the EU or UK governments? I said importers and exporters know the rules, it's their job to abide by them, not either governments.

The system works just fine here, except the uk has not installed it!
The exporters are left having to submit manually instead of scanning it in.

The time this takes is cost prohibitive and causes delays.
This will be your food rotting on the docks until the point comes and EU exporters don't bother.

 

[caveman]

The system works just fine here, except the uk has not installed it!
The exporters are left having to submit manually instead of scanning it in.

The time this takes is cost prohibitive and causes delays.
This will be your food rotting on the docks until the point comes and EU exporters don't bother.

Guess you'd never been to any dockside warehouses full of produce shipped in from all around the world before the M25 was chocca with fridge boxes from the protectionist EU?

 

[robs1]

The system works just fine here, except the uk has not installed it!
The exporters are left having to submit manually instead of scanning it in.

The time this takes is cost prohibitive and causes delays.
This will be your food rotting on the docks until the point comes and EU exporters don't bother.

Funny how we manage to get lots of food from all round the world into the uk without it rotting, no doubt the guardian and bbc will run a few scare stories and interview a few distraught producers and then in a week they will move on to the next disaster.
Just like the fuel shortage that was caused by them and the empty supermarkets with the " there won't be any turkeys for xmas scare"

 

[Ashtree]

Not sure why importers/exporters are in a stew they've known for over two years what the situation was likely to be and have had plenty of time to get organised. It's a bit like a farmer turning up at a mill and not having his grain passport and RT stickers then complaining about it.

Therein lies the true kernel of the issue. Importing and exporting, under the umbrella of standard customs and excise rules abd regulations, is complex and expensive. It’s very difficult and off putting for small and medium sized companies. For those involved in food business and live animal trade, there is another whole layer of phytosanitary stuff to contend with.
Far seeing European politicians, including Margaret Thatcher saw the difficulties even within the structures of the old EEC. That model, albeit better than WTO type trading, was still cumbersome and overbearing for small business in particular. They looked at USA, and saw trade across state lines, as quick and easy as trade between London and Manchester, but light years ahead in terms of cost, speed and complexity, compared to trade between London and Paris.
And so the vision for the single market and customs union was conceived, with Britain and Thatcher right at the centre.
Over time small, hardworking, entrepreneurial businesses, found themselves able to trade efficiently across international borders. Of course, as this kind of trade developed, more competition sprang up, and consequently innovation took hold, businesses observed and learned from their cross border trading experiences. Small insular, stagnant businesses right across Europe and UK, began to progress, innovate, improve standards, etc, etc. ROI would be a shining example of such transformation. It has transformed from a stagnant island on the very edge of Europe, to a pretty advanced economy, and small food and farming businesses operations are the bedrock of that. Within a five mile radius of my place today, there are four on farm businesses, exporting directly to EU. Cheese operation. Speciality pork operation. Goats cheese operation. Chocolatier operation. And now a small liqueur business. None of this would be possible without the single market and customs union we enjoy today.
Ditto of course for so many businesses across UK, which thrived in the new market environment. Sadly though, along came Farage and Bunter. They proceeded to thrash access to the single market and customs union, leaving so many businesses with coats, delays, restrictions and headaches, which ultimately will stifle opportunity and sadly kill off many of them.
PS: I’ve been involved in importing and exporting all my life. Both EU and international. Believe me, international trading is a big step up in complexity compared to the EU. I know exactly what I’m talking about in this area.

 

[BrianV]

The system works just fine here, except the uk has not installed it!
The exporters are left having to submit manually instead of scanning it in.

The time this takes is cost prohibitive and causes delays.
This will be your food rotting on the docks until the point comes and EU exporters don't bother.

Or maybe not so much EU food will flood our markets, would that really be so bad?

 

[turbo]

Or maybe not so much EU food will flood our markets, would that really be so bad?

Not for us it wouldn’t!

 

[robs1]

Therein lies the true kernel of the issue. Importing and exporting, under the umbrella of standard customs and excise rules abd regulations, is complex and expensive. It’s very difficult and off putting for small and medium sized companies. For those involved in food business and live animal trade, there is another whole layer of phytosanitary stuff to contend with.
Far seeing European politicians, including Margaret Thatcher saw the difficulties even within the structures of the old EEC. That model, albeit better than WTO type trading, was still cumbersome and overbearing for small business in particular. They looked at USA, and saw trade across state lines, as quick and easy as trade between London and Manchester, but light years ahead in terms of cost, speed and complexity, compared to trade between London and Paris.
And so the vision for the single market and customs union was conceived, with Britain and Thatcher right at the centre.
Over time small, hardworking, entrepreneurial businesses, found themselves able to trade efficiently across international borders. Of course, as this kind of trade developed, more competition sprang up, and consequently innovation took hold, businesses observed and learned from their cross border trading experiences. Small insular, stagnant businesses right across Europe and UK, began to progress, innovate, improve standards, etc, etc. ROI would be a shining example of such transformation. It has transformed from a stagnant island on the very edge of Europe, to a pretty advanced economy, and small food and farming businesses operations are the bedrock of that. Within a five mile radius of my place today, there are four on farm businesses, exporting directly to EU. Cheese operation. Speciality pork operation. Goats cheese operation. Chocolatier operation. And now a small liqueur business. None of this would be possible without the single market and customs union we enjoy today.
Ditto of course for so many businesses across UK, which thrived in the new market environment. Sadly though, along came Farage and Bunter. They proceeded to thrash access to the single market and customs union, leaving so many businesses with coats, delays, restrictions and headaches, which ultimately will stifle opportunity and sadly kill off many of them.
PS: I’ve been involved in importing and exporting all my life. Both EU and international. Believe me, international trading is a big step up in complexity compared to the EU. I know exactly what I’m talking about in this area.

I'm not disputing that the single market makes things easier but dispite that the percentage of our trade with the EU compared to the rest of the world was falling and has been for a long time, so it obviously wasnt putting of firms trading into other markets outside the EU. With climate change and the need to reduce carbon we need to have a rethink about hauling stuff round the world, just driving down the French motorways and seeing hundreds of lorries hauling stuff round Europe needs to change .
Leaving the EU isnt all about trade it's about many of us not wanting to be part of the united states of europe etc etc.