1.9td dmax or discovery 4 commercial?

[firther]

once you had disco 4 you will not want anything else,

get as late as possible as common faults mostly resolved,

if not getting commercial be careful which year you pick as some early 4;s are higher tax.

some have spun shells but i think its quite rare, there is a specialist engine re builder on the discovery forum he took a tally over 12 months and it really was no where near what i expected and put into perspective how in-frequent it was.
I think this was made into a big issue as LR were poor at first on sorting it and secondly the cost they were charging for a new 3.0 engine!

i were looking on a selling website and it seems to suggest that 2014 models onwards are £330 a year road tax, and pre 2014 are about £500. Is that correct?

 

[Johnnyboxer]

So is a D4 commercial less tax than a standard one then?

Yes it’s a commercial for VED purposes

Just like a Transit van or double cab

Commercial is Commercial

 

[Farmer_Joe]

i were looking on a selling website and it seems to suggest that 2014 models onwards are £330 a year road tax, and pre 2014 are about £500. Is that correct?

You need to check but that sounds about right, i think it mid 2013 they get cheaper tax again, but if you buying one you need to check first.

Mines a late 2016 with ad blue and start stop i believe its 315 for 12 months.

 

[msheep66]

My 2016 D4 costs £330 a year to tax because it has the stop start which I always turn off. The previous D4 I had was £520 a year.

 

[msheep66]

My 2016 D4 costs £330 a year to tax because it has the stop start which I always turn off. The previous D4 I had was £520 a year.

 

[firther]

You need to check but that sounds about right, i think it mid 2013 they get cheaper tax again, but if you buying one you need to check first.

Mines a late 2016 with ad blue and start stop i believe its 315 for 12 months.

Cheers that's a better option for the future. Don't really want a pickup

 

[Cowabunga]

Definitely agree- the ride quality with the air suspension makes you wonder why the fudge others are still using leaf springs - pulling a loaded trailer it is superbly composed.

Plenty of gusto from the 3.0 motor but she does like a sip.

Because the air suspension cannot carry anywhere near a ton payload and is relatively high in maintenance and cost in the long term.

 

[Cowabunga]

I agree it's the luck of the drawer. Our 4 year old D4 needed a new engine at 50000 miles whereas one friend's 2010 has over 120,000 on it and so far no bother and another friend has about 80,000 miles on a 2012 commercial D4 with no bother.

There should not be that obvious element of chance. The failure rate is statistically significant and noticeable, because by now most people who take an interest in such things know of at least one example. The failure rate per year is about one in a hundred I believe. Which is not a lot until you consider that the average dealer may have a local park of 500 or more of all ages. Then you start to appreciate that each main dealer may be repairing between five and ten V6 Diesel engines annually. Some fairly new and some older in a random sort of mix.

 

[ollie989898]

New Toyota pickup with the 2.8 surely the way forward. Disco is twice the vehicle compared to any pick up but then the sticker price is double.

 

[Dukes Fit]

Towing has nothing to do with whether an engine fails or not. I’ve heard of the engines suffering failure but know of none personally and I know of 14 D4s currently owned. One owner I know has had 5 D4s each at over 100,000 miles.
I’ve towed over 20,000 miles with mine and never missed a beat.

 

[Dukes Fit]

@jacobl741 what do you intend to use the vehicle for?

If it’s for throwing all and sundry in the back from sheep to hydraulic hoses tha5 have burst, buy a pick up.

If it’s for predominantly “driving” and towing and for lugging about general dry/non smelly stuff and putting the dog in. Buy the D4.

It does of course depend on your budget, I know people that use D5 commercials in the same way I’d expect to use a basic Hilux/Defender and swap them every two years because they can afford to.

 

[Cowabunga]

@jacobl741 what do you intend to use the vehicle for?

If it’s for throwing all and sundry in the back from sheep to hydraulic hoses tha5 have burst, buy a pick up.

If it’s for predominantly “driving” and towing and for lugging about general dry/non smelly stuff and putting the dog in. Buy the D4.

It does of course depend on your budget, I know people that use D5 commercials in the same way I’d expect to use a basic Hilux/Defender and swap them every two years because they can afford to.

Where do you find a non-smelly dog? Dog's place, where they are quite happy, is in the back of a pickup or a van fitted with a bulkhead.

 

[Dukes Fit]

Where do you find a non-smelly dog? Dog's place, where they are quite happy, is in the back of a pickup or a van fitted with a bulkhead.

My dog is quite happy in the back of both my D4 and Hilux.

It is however not a “farm” dog, just a dog that lives on a farm.

 

[Farmer Roy]

DMax is ONLY available with a 3.0 litre diesel here
1.9 not an option . . .

 

[Farmer Roy]

Because the air suspension cannot carry anywhere near a ton payload and is relatively high in maintenance and cost in the long term.

a common conversion on P38 Range Rovers here was replacing the air suspension with coil springs - mine certainly had that done

I don’t have much experience with newer LR products, but I do know a few people with late model Discos who have had problems with the air suspension . . . That seems to be the main problem they have

 

[Farmer Roy]

As others have said OP choice are two different vehicles, as an average of the two how about a Toyota Land Cruiser commercial? a glowing review of the base three door passenger car here: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-revie...ota-land-cruiser-utility-3dr-long-term-review

Only problem is a sub 3,5tonne tow (3000kg I believe)

unless it’s a 45, 75, 80, 100 or 79 / 200 Series ( current models ), it IS NOT a “real” Landcruiser

just saying . . .

200 Series Landcruiser would certainly be 3500 kg towing

 

[JP1]

unless it’s a 45, 75, 80, 100 or 79 / 200 Series ( current models ), it IS NOT a “real” Landcruiser

just saying . . .

200 Series Landcruiser would certainly be 3500 kg towing

SWB and even LWB current commercial UK Landcruiser 3000kg as taken off their website this morning (sadly)

 

[Timbo]

Because the air suspension cannot carry anywhere near a ton payload and is relatively high in maintenance and cost in the long term.

I don't disagree with air needing slightly more maintance, and if a bag bursts, you're less likely to make it home.

Not sure how you can make the first statment regard payload though? Complete rubbish ! Millions of hgvs must be all wrong !

 

[Farmer Roy]

SWB and even LWB current commercial UK Landcruiser 3000kg as taken off their website this morning (sadly)

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yeah, here we call that a Prado, not a “real” Landcruiser, even IF it does have Landcruiser in tiny letters on the badge, above Prado in big letters. No one calls them a ‘Cruiser . . .
It’s only the 200 Series wagon we call a Landcruiser

I wouldn’t have thought a Prado heavy duty enough to live up to the Landcruiser name

A bit like calling an Evoque a “real” Range Rover ?

 

[Farmer Roy]

But, I am getting off topic - as I normally do

sorry - back to 1.9 dmax or Disco4