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oil barron

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our case mxm 140 (tm140 ) had the heavy duty front axle the same as the 155s. the 155s had a heavier rear axle than the 140s .

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Going by the weights it looks like you are right. I was just going by what @Cowabunga has said in the past on this. I would guess the TM140 has the HD back end as well given it has the same lift capacity as a TM155.
Also, looking back a TM140 has 144 rated horse power, so you would probably need a T7.165S to be a match for it which has 150 rated horse power.
 

Aircooled

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co Antrim
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Going by the weights it looks like you are right. I was just going by what @Cowabunga has said in the past on this. I would guess the TM140 has the HD back end as well given it has the same lift capacity as a TM155.
Also, looking back a TM140 has 144 rated horse power, so you would probably need a T7.165S to be a match for it which has 150 rated horse power.
TM135 also the same as 155 except for intercooler and front axle. I think.
 

fermerboy

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Banffshire
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Going by the weights it looks like you are right. I was just going by what @Cowabunga has said in the past on this. I would guess the TM140 has the HD back end as well given it has the same lift capacity as a TM155.
Also, looking back a TM140 has 144 rated horse power, so you would probably need a T7.165S to be a match for it which has 150 rated horse power.

I was always told that my TM 140 had a lighter front axle than a 155, but same back end.
Possible that the CaseIH ones were different, never studied them that close.

On paper a T7.165 or near should be the same but in reality it seems to be a T7.200 or more is required. The new strangled ponies are no match for proper Powerstar horses.
Of course there is the issue of what power the TM is actually doing? Friend swapped his TM155 for a T7.200 I think, and moaned like hell about how gutless the new one was, then he discovered that the workshop dynoed his old 155 when it was sold on and it was doing 195hp, hence the new one feeling poor!!

Do you just happen to always have a TM brochure at hand?? ???
 
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Cowabunga

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Going by the weights it looks like you are right. I was just going by what @Cowabunga has said in the past on this. I would guess the TM140 has the HD back end as well given it has the same lift capacity as a TM155.
Also, looking back a TM140 has 144 rated horse power, so you would probably need a T7.165S to be a match for it which has 150 rated horse power.
The TM140 has, if I remember correctly, the lighter front axle with the medium duty rear, while the 155 has the heavy duty front axle. However, what may be confusing is that models and colours changed at some point and the spec may have changed at the same time. Both tinwork and chassis colour changed, perhaps to a black chassis and the more piercing blue. Not following the CNH ranges closely for a number of years means that my timeline and model numbers are only an estimate. More than a guess but not guaranteed accurate.
 

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
The TM140 has, if I remember correctly, the lighter front axle with the medium duty rear, while the 155 has the heavy duty front axle. However, what may be confusing is that models and colours changed at some point and the spec may have changed at the same time. Both tinwork and chassis colour changed, perhaps to a black chassis and the more piercing blue. Not following the CNH ranges closely for a number of years means that my timeline and model numbers are only an estimate. More than a guess but not guaranteed accurate.

well that was disappointing.

The change to Newholland Blue happened in 01 when the ford patent ran out. The change to black chassis was in late 02 all during the mark 1 square cab TMs. The round cab mark two with the TM140 was released in 03 with crap synchros to try and please the bean counters and show cost saving synergies by buying case along with the black flash decals and Smiddy like mesh hole in the bonnet to release heat from the hotter burning green engines. The yellow flash came out in 05 with the old synchros and better quality cooling hoses.
 

Cowabunga

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well that was disappointing.

The change to Newholland Blue happened in 01 when the ford patent ran out. The change to black chassis was in late 02 all during the mark 1 square cab TMs. The round cab mark two with the TM140 was released in 03 with crap synchros to try and please the bean counters and show cost saving synergies by buying case along with the black flash decals and Smiddy like mesh hole in the bonnet to release heat from the hotter burning green engines. The yellow flash came out in 05 with the old synchros and better quality cooling hoses.

I remember the crap synchros in 02, coinciding with Case changing from proper Case to badge engineered New Hollands in that size range. The green engine were not hotter burning though. They were cooler burning with greater heat removed by the cooling system to keep them cooler burning. Lots of people mistake the larger cooling system capacity for the engines running hotter, whereas in fact the opposite is the case. NOx emissions are reduced by cooler combustion. Cooler combustion can be achieved in many ways but EGR, timing and larger cooling systems may be part of the solution, certainly not hotter combustion unless accompanied by SCR aided by diesel exhaust fluid [Adblue]. DEF was never used on the Powerstar engines and not on early NEF engines either. As far as I know the TM series only ever achieved Stage 2 emission compliance, never Stage 3.

Didn't the shade of blue change along with the introduction of the yellow flashes?
 
well that was disappointing.

The change to Newholland Blue happened in 01 when the ford patent ran out. The change to black chassis was in late 02 all during the mark 1 square cab TMs. The round cab mark two with the TM140 was released in 03 with crap synchros to try and please the bean counters and show cost saving synergies by buying case along with the black flash decals and Smiddy like mesh hole in the bonnet to release heat from the hotter burning green engines. The yellow flash came out in 05 with the old synchros and better quality cooling hoses.

Round Cab and Square cab on TMs? Can't say that I ever though there was any difference in the cabs of the 60 series, early and late TM's..what is the the difference? The profile shape of the main structure? Will be looking much more closely the next time I am up on one!
 
I remember the crap synchros in 02, coinciding with Case changing from proper Case to badge engineered New Hollands in that size range. The green engine were not hotter burning though. They were cooler burning with greater heat removed by the cooling system to keep them cooler burning. Lots of people mistake the larger cooling system capacity for the engines running hotter, whereas in fact the opposite is the case. NOx emissions are reduced by cooler combustion. Cooler combustion can be achieved in many ways but EGR, timing and larger cooling systems may be part of the solution, certainly not hotter combustion unless accompanied by SCR aided by diesel exhaust fluid [Adblue]. DEF was never used on the Powerstar engines and not on early NEF engines either. As far as I know the TM series only ever achieved Stage 2 emission compliance, never Stage 3.

Didn't the shade of blue change along with the introduction of the yellow flashes?
Your knowledge of tractor engines is amazing
 

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
Round Cab and Square cab on TMs? Can't say that I ever though there was any difference in the cabs of the 60 series, early and late TM's..what is the the difference? The profile shape of the main structure? Will be looking much more closely the next time I am up on one!

just the piece of plastic on top got rounded off and they added a headland sequence button to the range command joystick.
 

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
I remember the crap synchros in 02, coinciding with Case changing from proper Case to badge engineered New Hollands in that size range. The green engine were not hotter burning though. They were cooler burning with greater heat removed by the cooling system to keep them cooler burning. Lots of people mistake the larger cooling system capacity for the engines running hotter, whereas in fact the opposite is the case. NOx emissions are reduced by cooler combustion. Cooler combustion can be achieved in many ways but EGR, timing and larger cooling systems may be part of the solution, certainly not hotter combustion unless accompanied by SCR aided by diesel exhaust fluid [Adblue]. DEF was never used on the Powerstar engines and not on early NEF engines either. As far as I know the TM series only ever achieved Stage 2 emission compliance, never Stage 3.

Didn't the shade of blue change along with the introduction of the yellow flashes?

you’re correct with the engines. Wrong with the paint.
 

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
I was always told that my TM 140 had a lighter front axle than a 155, but same back end.
Possible that the CaseIH ones were different, never studied them that close.

On paper a T7.165 or near should be the same but in reality it seems to be a T7.200 or more is required. The new strangled ponies are no match for proper Powerstar horses.
Of course there is the issue of what power the TM is actually doing? Friend swapped his TM155 for a T7.200 I think, and moaned like hell about how gutless the new one was, then he discovered that the workshop dynoed his old 155 when it was sold on and it was doing 195hp, hence the new one feeling poor!!

Do you just happen to always have a TM brochure at hand?? ???

The FPT engines are pretty tight when they are new. If you give them some good hard work for a couple of thousand hours they are a different machine and far better on fuel aswell.
The T7.165s is the new model and is a T7.200 without the boost so your comparison would make sense. Also available with a delta cab, which on the red ones makes them look like the modern version of a 895 stockmen special.
 

aidan

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Ireland
You ain't looking hard enough!!!

Maintenance and repairs of older trucks is significant, easily £10k/yr.

Lots on the road with a million kms, lot less with a million miles. (1.6m km)

In round figures, if a truck has done a million km, it's passed 20,000hrs, depending a bit on the work it's done.

what would u have to do for the 10k per year, a lot more than oil and air and fuel filters and a set of batteries
 

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