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@l'ordinary bonville would you care to comment
100,000 pigs to be destroyed
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Pre the sow stall ban and wasting disease, the National herd was 800,000
Still not sure what your point is as Meryl Ward stated this morning on the radio the processors are only accepting 75% of the contracted kill due to processing labour shortages . That is not the farmer's making
I wouldn't like to comment as to if they should have seen it coming, already been accused of allsorts on this thread for just pointing out the truth, not sure how much more unjust comment I can takei dunno....i mean i spent bitta time last night googling....following the paper trail.....the origins and progress of this crisis are there to be found/traced fairly easily........the 'corporate' pig farmers are supposed to be clever and this is their daily business how the feck they didn't see it coming is beyond me
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well the first bit is defra figures and re published in pig world so i confess i don't know who's right
second bit sounds like an attempt at force majeure .....but we need to know more.......when did processors start doing this?.....the contracts....how long?...when signed?
my only real experience of contracts is malting barley.....the only time i had trouble was when ,at harvest, there was a glut and surprise surprise there was wriggling on spec
in this case if a processor entered into a contract to take pigs without being sure they could be processed that would be dodgy ground IMO.....i mean lets say you needed 100 pigs but were unsure about whether you could process them wouldn't it be prudent to sign up 80 on contract then buy the other 20 spot if needed?
i assume the nfu legal department are examining these contracts
in the meantime is there any evidence of slaughterhouse worker numbers being under 2019 levels and if there is how was it possible to slaughter 200k pigs more in march/april/may 2021 than 2019?
if i'm wrong i'll hold my hands up in the end....but i'm not accepting the nfu/rt/corp pig sector line without question
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WTF?
He keeps asking the interviewer if he's had a bacon sandwich and trying to be smart @rsed about it by saying those pigs had to die for him to eat it.
Bloody ridiculous arguememt, of course they had to die first ...
...BUT THEY WEREN'T SHOT ON A FARM AND CHUCKED INTO A SKIP BEFORE THEY WERE MADE INTO BACON YOU BRAINLESS BUMBLING MORON
He got ambushed on Sunday by Marr with a similar question. You would have thought, 48 hrs later, the leader of the country might have had the nous to ask some policy adviser at No.10 to have given him a morsel of background information about pigs so that he could have tried to come up with a better arguement without trying to trot out the same crap.
He obviously doesn't care
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Other news sources report 27 EU drivers and another 100 from Nigeria ..
If he gave a sensible answer, he would have to acknowledge there was a problem, while he is bumbling about bacon he is avoiding it. Journalists have to be tougher with him, which for some reason( I can not think whyWTF?
He keeps asking the interviewer if he's had a bacon sandwich and trying to be smart @rsed about it by saying those pigs had to die for him to eat it.
Bloody ridiculous arguememt, of course they had to die first ...
...BUT THEY WEREN'T SHOT ON A FARM AND CHUCKED INTO A SKIP BEFORE THEY WERE MADE INTO BACON YOU BRAINLESS BUMBLING MORON
He got ambushed on Sunday by Marr with a similar question. You would have thought, 48 hrs later, the leader of the country might have had the nous to ask some policy adviser at No.10 to have given him a morsel of background information about pigs so that he could have tried to come up with a better arguement without trying to trot out the same crap.
He obviously doesn't care
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if there's a labour shortage how could uk abbatoirs process 250k MORE pigs between valentines day and june 6th this year?
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Hmmm, perhaps Supermarkets persuaded their breeders to increase numbers to make up for potential reductions in imports from the EU when they worked out what BJ’s import controls could do to their profits ?
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between june 7th and 30th august processing levels returned to 2019 levels.....wk35 to 38 is aug 30th into september and the co2 crisis
why did pig slaughterings drop over this period?
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To be fair Jeremy I’m just past myself working out what to do, what to think etc.
Basically if nothing changes soon I reckon there will be bankruptcy for some farmers and a fire sale by others.
With no staff in the abattoirs the processors can simply ship in lower spec foreign meat and cheaper. Inevitably the spp will keep falling. Processor then re enters the market when guaranteed their margins again.
Govt are sitting back and watching their perceived factory farming industry melt away. Problem solved. We can just ship it all in. The rest of farming will come next
My take on the solution
End unemployment benefits now or find a way to make it worthwhile working in a fridge all day
If our unemployed are too posh
ship in migrant workers from Far East, Africa or South America. At least theyre not Eastern European
Start checks on imports now
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My post on FB this morning:
The last three interviews I've heard with Boris Johnson applies and now in the light of reports about George Eustice at a Conservative fringe meeting
The pig processor rollover crisis is not of farmer's making
Boris wilfully conflates pig slaughter at an abattoir for food with on-farm killing and incineration ; massive welfare and food waste implications. First cull yesterday in my local county Suffolk yesterday and predicted to be 150,000 out of spec pigs in coming weeks
Politicians like the DEFRA Secretary George Eustice briefing there must be butchers if processors are bringing in Eastern EU accession state pork; it's actually NL, DK and German and it involves mechanical automated processing not the skilled butchers for cutting full UK carcases
Of course deep down I believe they do know and have been briefed fully but the current stark facts just don't fit with their political ideology and they (wrongly) believe they've a political majority and they'll cope just fine without the rural vote
Longer term we need lobbying support to boost the number of smaller local abattoirs and on-farm mobile facilities. Post Brexit they can't blame EU veterinary and other costs
Stand by UK farmers who are caught up in this please. Buy UK only pork, lobby your MP and follow Save GB Bacon
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Agree with a lot you say jp but when those big abattoirs processing 20-40k and with the ability to be about 50% self supplied with there own pigs that’s a lot of smaller abattours required. Plus it’s a big ask to find the staff for those and the people required to set them up and finance them. And with the supermarkets share of the meat trade where will those smaller local abattoirs sell to. The last year has proved how broken the system is. Larger abattours need there own pigs to guarantee throuput but how many of these extra pigs are stockpiled ( overcrowded ) on there own farms. Are we moving to the American system with a fully integrated farm/ abattoir/ processing system or do we have a government that wants to move all the cheap dirty jobs/ industry abroad? Plus this just is not about pigs/ poultry, the schemes for calves supplied onto farms with buy back contracts are here the more of those available the less they need to buy on the open market.Not sure what the future brings for me or the uk livestock industry.
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Don't disagree with much of what you say there
I added the small local abattoir bit as I really feel strongly farmers of all species need more options for direct selling
I find it hard when I'm realising in my late fifties I've probably seen the best period for UK livestock farming in my youth
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if processors had maintained the through put june-august that they did feb-may there'd be no cull
it's a giant stitch up....the supermarkets want to default....the ahdb know it.....probably the nfu as well
it's a giant stitch up....the supermarkets want to default....the ahdb know it.....probably the nfu as well
American systems already here ……morrisons just bought out by Americans !! Karoo owned by large Canadian company the list will go on.
Depends where the end customers buy from.
Local small abattoir was flat out and turning away work last year during lockdown and after because of the demand for meat at the butchers shop, if folk go back to buying from the supermarket and eating out or take aways they won't have the demand, farmers can help by selling direct and using local abattoirs but the demand has to be there from the public
Any idea why they didn't?
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Can’t be anything to do with a lack of qualified skilled staff who were told “The UK doesn’t want you here”, can it ?