100,000 unsold pigs

Johnnyboxer

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Location
Yorkshire
Surely there can be very little reduction in b and b price. Most large players have x number of weaners going from their breeding units weekly. They then go to nursery units, some will fatten to some not, few variations. But would be very short sighted veiw of pig owner to drop price by even 50 pence a week. That soon adds up. And people will move to competitors. Can think of 5 large pig breeders near ish to here that would all move into take another ones b and b places. Point been they are long term that have some resistance built into their systems. One large breeder supplying straw to some at present to make sure pigs clean enough meet rt standards to some b and b places with poor harvests or little bought in straw. How long they can sustain these prices different matter. Be interesting to see.

That’s the point, in your last sentence

If it’s a short term blip for a month or two, yep it’s not a problem

If it goes on for 6 months due to Brexit hold ups, there has to be some realignment

A Yorkshire Pig farmer on bbc Look North on Thursday said once the fattening pigs get too large then nobody wants them and the kill price goes from £140 per animal, to £70 per animal

With higher feed prices too, they cannot stand the hold up and reduced prices forever and something will have to give
 

bitwrx

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So are we still importing a lot of Danish and Dutch pork meat products, if so why is this so? :banghead: :scratchhead:(n)
Cos dem's cheap!
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midlandslad

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Location
Midlands
At the moment it is hard to see any upside with falling demand from China and increased production, together with increased imports and the increasing value of sterling.
 

thorpe

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these big pigs must cause some problems for the processors, my butchers chops are already like chines of beef , i wouldnt want em any bigger never seen any like it in a supermkt!
 
Is there still shackle space to harvest these pigs? Last spring covid shut some big plants in this country and it was a nightmare to say the least!

That's part of the issue. Covid has caused a lot of staff shortages, not necessarily people actually ill but from people having to isolate owing to contact as well. Backlogs take a long time to work through.
 
Wow , how come we are so off the pace in the UK ? Are other countries cop that much lower than ours or are they not making any money out of their pigs too ?

Tighter rules here on how we can produce pigs, along with a very high proportion bred outdoors which has a higher cop but lower capital cost. Also planning rules here make it much harder to build a spanky new indoor unit with all the facilities that lead to high performance and resulting lower cop. I could go on and on....
Also be a bit careful with those headline prices quoted, they don't have the "add ons" for example, the Danish slaughtering industry is producer owned and they get an annual share of the profits.
 
Location
N Yorks
Just as you think the job can't be this bad any longer and you can't stand the losses it suddenly starts to turn again. This is probably due to the fact that some other producers, maybe in a different country, thought the same a few weeks earlier and started to destock/go bust/retire/sell up/reduce herd size before you.

Then market forces prevail again and the price goes up again, often to a high level within 6-8 months as the supply reduces.
It's the classic economic cobweb cycle

Germany was badly affected by ASF from about last July; I would expect prices to rise by this July with a smaller up correction in about 6 weeks first.

Straw issues only really affect the uk as nobody else in the world is daft enough to deliberately make farming difficult for themselves.

Feed price issues will be affecting pig and poultry farmers across the globe
 

midlandslad

Member
Location
Midlands
Just as you think the job can't be this bad any longer and you can't stand the losses it suddenly starts to turn again. This is probably due to the fact that some other producers, maybe in a different country, thought the same a few weeks earlier and started to destock/go bust/retire/sell up/reduce herd size before you.

Then market forces prevail again and the price goes up again, often to a high level within 6-8 months as the supply reduces.
It's the classic economic cobweb cycle

Germany was badly affected by ASF from about last July; I would expect prices to rise by this July with a smaller up correction in about 6 weeks first.

Straw issues only really affect the uk as nobody else in the world is daft enough to deliberately make farming difficult for themselves.

Feed price issues will be affecting pig and poultry farmers across the globe

As I see it the boom in recent years has been due to reduced production in China due to ASF. China are now apparently getting back to normalised levels, therefore worldwide demand for EU pigs is down and driving the price down.

is the price still dropping and is feed now stable? Is a £20 per pig loss real or just over inflated?
 

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