Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
I very much doubt that any large scale operator is going to have storage for the sort of surge charging required during seasonal peaks.
1st Experience with Electric Car
- Thread starter oldoaktree
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- Scottish Highlands
Fairly sure I saw some at the southbound M6 Tebay “Farm Shop”. It would only need to be a few tens of kWh per outlet to give a decent speed.
- Location
- Devon
Perhaps local village halls could install 4 in their carpark. It could help with income . Look at how remote fuel stations work in France. They have about 8 pumps and are self service , no kiosk. You just turn up and fill them use your card. Now they have to have tanker deliveries, underground tanks etc… an electric charging station wouldn’t need that. Also as of today I still see mist charging points empty when I travel the country so your wait is still minimum
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
A busy service station with 20 odd pumps can fill about 250 cars an hour.
Remember EVs currently need topping up twice as often especially on motorway work.
So say 400 cars an hour.
times 50Kw a fill for an average 80Kw battery
Thats a 20 megawatt feed
It can be done but the infrastructure needs putting in
- Location
- Devon
Your figures are very skewed.
You take no account of the fact many will charge at home.
Average battery size is no where near 80kw.
Then look at improving technology. That's why I posted that video above. Someone on a typical 20 odd mile daily commute may not need to charge for months in summer.
Agreed, we are currently playing catchup with charging and car tech, but the progress is rapid.
The elephant in the room is network capacity, I'm involved in a block of flats in Bournemouth, we have 74 in our block and have looked at putting in charging points as a couple of owners now have EVs, the cost to upgrade our transformer to be capable of handling the extra demand plus the cost of the charging points is eye watering , multiply that by every block of flats plus hotels and I dont believe the infrastructure could deliver the power required, SSE estimates we would need at least 35 extra to potentially charge every car, where is the generation capacity to cater for the extra demand too ?
I'm all for electric vehicles but imvho it's all half thought out atm.
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
Yes I quite agree, but have you ever seen the queue at Exeter services on a bank holiday weekend it sometimes backs on to the motorway as travellers head off to holidays in the West country. I suspect 400 cars per hour is a gross understatement for these weekends. The average battery size is irrelevant the cars still need the power whether they pick it up in one, two or more stops on a long journey
This is where the importance of upgrading the network takes prominence.
I am in the industry and the speed things are taking at the moment is beyond belief, just getting an export meter has taken me hundreds of hours on the phone and a full year now we have the meter but still no data from it!
in other countries this upgrading would get done, but here all we get is hot air and platitudes from government ministers , it takes up to 30 years to get a new nuclear power station and we are going to need a few of these once the country is all electric
Doing it for the kids
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Be dearer one day !
oldoaktree
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- County Durham
Check this clip from 5th Gear Recharged
yep battery banks solar charging reduce peak loads and make the charge load more manageable, if I was a farmer in a busy touristy area I would be rushing out to setup a farm café charge station now. if I had a good location destination charging can be a local win.
solar and battery backed up charge system then profit from charging fees and the café they wait in.
- Location
- Shropshire
£60k!
Are you going to pay that for a pick up to tow sheep and cattle around?
Perhaps we should put solar panels on the roof of the Ifor?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Coal and oil fired power stations, nuclear in about 20 years.
About 15 too late then, are politicians round the world so stupid that they cant see problems when they are so obvious.
Y Fan Wen
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- N W Snowdonia
Arrived home one day last month to find a pickup from the local DNO parked in the yard. Went looking and found him walking back from our transformer pole. He told me he was checking access to all the transformers in the cwm and around totalling 400 odd. The plan is to upgrade them all in the next 18 months. So it does seem they are on the case.
Even if they could do that is the capacity in the network to "carry" the load, round here they wont allow any more large scale solar as the network cant carry it, I'm not saying it cant be done but time is very short. I would love an electric pick up but price and range rule it out
Doing it for the kids
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Every aspect of the grid needs expanding from the end of line right back to the power station.
Bits and bobs have been done in the past but what’s left is immense. Mate works for NG, the work loads they have on now with future upgrades is the biggest they have had since the 60’s I think he said.
Bits and bobs have been done in the past but what’s left is immense. Mate works for NG, the work loads they have on now with future upgrades is the biggest they have had since the 60’s I think he said.
renewablejohn
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- lancs
Generation capacity is not a problem. Peak load is the problem which EV's will easily sort out with V2G. As for generation capacity UK is awash with spare capacity in off peak times. Used to be approx 15GW but since the latest increase in prices on 1st April that capacity has gone up by a further 10GW of which 5GW is now being exported to Europe to ease the pressure on the euro-grid.
Top spec pickup is £45k (some are more) running costs will be way way less than diesel so all relative