2019 Beet area

[alomy75]

Really? I always use straight phendipham on tiny beet and never worry about hurting them........

There was quite a good graph at one of the bbro days from upl I think...I didn’t fancy being one of those people who take a photo of the presentation but in hindsight it would have been quite useful [emoji6] but in essence it showed the knock to vigour from various actives. I think I would go with a nice soft goltix plus a mild warmth etho early on followed by etho +\- debut +\- shield later on. I’m sure it wouldn’t be the end of the world in any event if we lost them. I’m just deciding whether we should be lifting our own beet...dealers seem to be fairly keen to shift stock; I’m wondering if they’re worrying about a no deal brexit and us getting flooded with cane sugar and all this beet kit falling through the floor value-wise in this country. Maybe waiting for Boris to make his mind up and having another contractor for this year makes sense but at 10k ish it makes you wonder [emoji848]that would pay the finance on something...

 

[alomy75]

Really? I always use straight phendipham on tiny beet and never worry about hurting them........

There was quite a good graph at one of the bbro days from upl I think...I didn’t fancy being one of those people who take a photo of the presentation but in hindsight it would have been quite useful [emoji6] but in essence it showed the knock to vigour from various actives. I think I would go with a nice soft goltix plus a mild warmth etho early on followed by etho +\- debut +\- shield later on. I’m sure it wouldn’t be the end of the world in any event if we lost them. I’m just deciding whether we should be lifting our own beet...dealers seem to be fairly keen to shift stock; I’m wondering if they’re worrying about a no deal brexit and us getting flooded with cane sugar and all this beet kit falling through the floor value-wise in this country. Maybe waiting for Boris to make his mind up and having another contractor for this year makes sense but at 10k ish it makes you wonder [emoji848]that would pay the finance on something...

 

[robbie]

Goltix/etho followed by etho/debut/shield has to many gaps and certainly wouldn't do the business on my land. Imo you need the des/phenmediphan for the fathen.

I think in the good ole days "mediphams" were quite hot but the newer formulations are much kinder to the beet, they're also not as potent on the weeds unfortunately. Unless you use maxpro as a little bit of everything in it seems to do a cracking job.

 

[robbie]

Goltix/etho followed by etho/debut/shield has to many gaps and certainly wouldn't do the business on my land. Imo you need the des/phenmediphan for the fathen.

I think in the good ole days "mediphams" were quite hot but the newer formulations are much kinder to the beet, they're also not as potent on the weeds unfortunately. Unless you use maxpro as a little bit of everything in it seems to do a cracking job.

 

[DrWazzock]

Without desmedipham here it's game over due to cranesbill. Desmedipham is the only thing that slows it down. Doesn't Maxpro contain phenmedipham and desmedipham, so if they go, then max pro is like a 2 legged stool?

 

[robbie]

It would leave maxpro containing lenicil and etho and there would be a big hole in all programmes, with very little to control fathen, orache ect.

 

[alomy75]

It would leave maxpro containing lenicil and etho and there would be a big hole in all programmes, with very little to control fathen, orache ect.

Goltix, venzar and etho will all do your fat hen and orache [emoji106]

 

[Hindsight]

Without desmedipham here it's game over due to cranesbill. Desmedipham is the only thing that slows it down. Doesn't Maxpro contain phenmedipham and desmedipham, so if they go, then max pro is like a 2 legged stool?

Cranesbill - you might like to look at Tanaris as a pre-emergence residual herbicides, contains dimethamid and quinmerac. Ask your agronomist.

 

[DrWazzock]

Cranesbill - you might like to look at Tanaris as a pre-emergence residual herbicides, contains dimethamid and quinmerac. Ask your agronomist.

Thank you.

 

[Laggard]

Cranesbill - you might like to look at Tanaris as a pre-emergence residual herbicides, contains dimethamid and quinmerac. Ask your agronomist.

Unfortunately the product label for Tanaris says post emergence only in sugar beet. It doesn't have cranesbill on the weed susceptibility list at the max individual application rate of 0.6l/ha in beet. Have trials been done pre emergence? I hate cranesbill especially in beet and would be very interested to find out more please.

 

[Hindsight]

Thank you.

Unfortunately the product label for Tanaris says post emergence only in sugar beet. It doesn't have cranesbill on the weed susceptibility list at the max individual application rate of 0.6l/ha in beet. Have trials been done pre emergence? I hate cranesbill especially in beet and would be very interested to find out more please.

My apologies, yes. I meant post emergence.

I have no experience myself as fortunately cranesbill is not a serious issue for me, but attended herbicide trial field meeting in July where this product was mentioned by agronomists as being a helpful component. So that is the extent of my knowledge. So not really much use.

But my suggestion was for Dr Wazzock to make further investigations. I cannot be of more assistance afraid.

 

[alomy75]

Unfortunately the product label for Tanaris says post emergence only in sugar beet. It doesn't have cranesbill on the weed susceptibility list at the max individual application rate of 0.6l/ha in beet. Have trials been done pre emergence? I hate cranesbill especially in beet and would be very interested to find out more please.

Conviso will kill it

 

[DrWazzock]

Conviso will kill it

But you must have a tolerant beet variety?
Never heard of this till you mentioned it.

 

[robbie]

@Dr wazzock be afraid be very afraid!!!!! As if the beet seed job wasn't enough of a closed shop monopoly you've now got the option of being tied to a whole chemical package from a manufacturer aswell as being tied to one supplier for seed.

In principal the technology is very good but I fear this is just another strategy for the multi nationals to be able to remove choice from the humble farmer and milk a little more out of him along the way.

 

[alomy75]

@Dr wazzock be afraid be very afraid!!!!! As if the beet seed job wasn't enough of a closed shop monopoly you've now got the option of being tied to a whole chemical package from a manufacturer aswell as being tied to one supplier for seed.

In principal the technology is very good but I fear this is just another strategy for the multi nationals to be able to remove choice from the humble farmer and milk a little more out of him along the way.

It’s an interesting one...yes; you have to buy the chemical from Bayer but no, you can get your seed from KWS or SES. It will open up a lot of weed beety land to be able to grow beet again which is good if you’ve taken on some weed beety land (wink wink!) but I suspect it will be too costly to just replace your classical herbicides with. There’s a yield drag anyway at the moment but before long I bet all of those breeding houses’ material will be conviso’d up-just like what happened with rhizo varieties...as long as the price is competitive you can still spray them with normal chemistry. It’s just so crop safe...you can really wallop the weeds and the crop doesn’t know it’s been sprayed. The only weakness is speedwell really but it will stop them getting too big and they won’t present a problem. Good stuff.

 

[alomy75]

Anyone know the harvest scheme price this year? I’ve come off it but want to know what to pay...I’ve heard £82.60?

 

[Laggard]

It's nearly 4 weeks since first fungicide, is there much disease about? Anybody doing/ done a second fungicide?

 

[DrWazzock]

I'd forgotten about the second fungicide. Looks healthy enough to be honest. Its getting towards autumn. Stuff starts dying off a bit anyway. Autumn leaves and all that. But they seem to want plants to live forever nowadays.

When I grew fodder beet without "agronomic support" i used no aphicide or seed treatment and no fungicides. Such things never even occurred to me. Some years yields were down a bit, sometimes it did 40 t/acre.

I sometimes wonder if the supply industry is rather too keen to find a problem for the solution and in doing so creates a need for ever more powerful and expensive solutions to problems they have encouraged to develop.

The fungicide is in the shed, but barring an obvious onset of disease, it can stay there till next year.

 

[Flat 10]

It's nearly 4 weeks since first fungicide, is there much disease about? Anybody doing/ done a second fungicide?

I will need to look. Only just coming up to 3 weeks.....

 

[robbie]

I still haven't applied the first one yet!

For several reasons, including the weather my first fungicide that I scheduled for about two to three weeks ago Is still in the shed. The beet are a lovely dark colour and when I've walked them I can't find any disease worth talking about so I'm In no panic.

My plan is to go this week with full rate escalta plus a couple lts mn and 5 kg/ha epso top. That should see them nicely and I can swap the wheels on the tractor ready for hedge cutting.

Normally I do two sprays the first one end of july/ early August and then again a month later.

Anyone heard anymore about the pro e for next year????