21st of June

[SilliamWhale]

Some evidence to back up these claims would be interesting, but that doesn't accord with my understanding. I've made bold the parts I'm particularly keen to see/ don't agree with. Bear in mind that half the planet didn't have "the first boost of the novel virus culminating last spring".



Erm, F&M ?



Again, would be interesting to see what you base this assertion on as I know no facts to back it up. "Co-morbidities" as declared by the death certificates are very different from "seriously ill".



Not aware that dementia is a death sentence in itself, so perhaps a bad example on your part, in the context of the previous quote?



I really don't think we will, but am prepared to listen - what's the basis of your conclusion, and is it based on anything more than an uneducated hunch? We have the best public health minds in the world looking at this issue, most developed countries are adopting similar strategies and there is minimal complaint from the mainstream scientific community aside from concern that the lockdowns were and may be being lifted too soon.



Initially yes, latterly not so much so - unless you can show different? Last I saw the spread was firmly in the woder community.

The thing with asking for evidence is that I bring up something or you bring up something and we will both say we don't agree with it. But let me give you some examples of what has historically happened - remember everyone on the beaches in May and the fuss about it giving everyone covid?! It has since emerged there is 0 evidence of transmission and there was no need for the hysteria about it. But at time anyone who says "this is a bit of an overreaction isn't it?" gets painted as a covid denier or a granny killer. Who was right? I will tell you, not the people who said going to the beach is going to give you covid.

Remember the "you can get covid and die from touching a farm gate" brigade? Just daft.

Same thing for masks. Covid has increased since we all wore masks. I think there is an absence of evidence masks do anything, especially as most of them are not surgically clean. I anticipate it coming out in the end that masks achieved nothing. Again if you currently say that you don't think masks achieve anything you get painted as someone who wants to kill everyone else.

F&M lockdown is to protect our F&M disease free status. We are not trying to do the same with covid. Even then there is argument was it worth the cost in 2001.

You can pretend that people in care homes aren't in last chance saloon if you want, but they are. Is it sad? Not necessarily if they had a good life, 86 and can't wipe their own bum and stuck in a room on their own all day. I'm surprised you don't see that dementia in the aged is a terminal condition

We have certainly had a lot more deaths at home in the past year than normal but that doesn't get the oxygen covid deaths get. 34k extra deaths at home last year - ie heart issues, strokes,

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Only 200 guests?? I thought TFF had over 30,000 members

Might have to get you all to bring a bottle.

 

[Gulli]

The thing with asking for evidence is that I bring up something or you bring up something and we will both say we don't agree with it. But let me give you some examples of what has historically happened - remember everyone on the beaches in May and the fuss about it giving everyone covid?! It has since emerged there is 0 evidence of transmission and there was no need for the hysteria about it. But at time anyone who says "this is a bit of an overreaction isn't it?" gets painted as a covid denier or a granny killer. Who was right? I will tell you, not the people who said going to the beach is going to give you covid.

Remember the "you can get covid and die from touching a farm gate" brigade? Just daft.

Same thing for masks. Covid has increased since we all wore masks. I think there is an absence of evidence masks do anything, especially as most of them are not surgically clean. I anticipate it coming out in the end that masks achieved nothing. Again if you currently say that you don't think masks achieve anything you get painted as someone who wants to kill everyone else.

F&M lockdown is to protect our F&M disease free status. We are not trying to do the same with covid. Even then there is argument was it worth the cost in 2001.

You can pretend that people in care homes aren't in last chance saloon if you want, but they are. Is it sad? Not necessarily if they had a good life, 86 and can't wipe their own bum and stuck in a room on their own all day. I'm surprised you don't see that dementia in the aged is a terminal condition

We have certainly had a lot more deaths at home in the past year than normal but that doesn't get the oxygen covid deaths get. 34k extra deaths at home last year - ie heart issues, strokes,

I don't have much to say on the whole covid thing. But dementia is very much a death sentence, there is no cure and unless you die first you will eventually forget how to swallow.
Which is a pretty key part of living

 

[Kidds]

I don’t think many people will want to be thrashing around like loons on a marquee dance floor sweating and breathing heavy under the influence of copious amounts of grog.

Sounds good to me. Thing of dreams!

 

[Bald Rick]

I think a bit of restraint wouldn’t go amiss. The danger with setting these dates is they actually encourage people to have a big splurge en masse, whereas a steady ramp back would be safer.

Heard on the radio this morning that the CEO of one of the budget airline/holiday firms saying that as soon as our Dear Leader started pronouncing on the easing off of restrictions, booking went up over 600% ........ and that was from 4-8pm last night.

I, for one, will spend this year washing my hair

 

[Tractorstant]

Heard on the radio this morning that the CEO of one of the budget airline/holiday firms saying that as soon as our Dear Leader started pronouncing on the easing off of restrictions, booking went up over 600% ........ and that was from 4-8pm last night.

I, for one, will spend this year washing my hair

But where the hell are they going? One thing being let "out" of the UK. Who's going to let them in...... We've just gone into a further lockdown here and so have parts of Italy...... long way to go yet, before we get another mutant strain....

 

[SilliamWhale]

The latest lockdown clearly reversed a steeply rising rate of infection. The reduction wasn’t a seasonal effect as we were still firmly in winter.

The jury is still very strongly out on whether lockdown reverse transmission. It sounds like a good idea but a lot of the time people spent more time indoors etc.

Viral curves appear very similar across the world with a strong regional element. Countries which simply could not afford to lockdown or chose not to in Europe have a similar viral curve to those that did.

And vaccinating children for this is just nuts

 

[Bald Rick]

But where the hell are they going? One thing being let "out" of the UK. Who's going to let them in...... We've just gone into a further lockdown here and so have parts of Italy...... long way to go yet, before we get another mutant strain....

Greece ... apparently we are already in "negotiations" with the Greeks. Will need a vaccine "passport" (available at all good Dark Web stores) but otherwise crack on

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Exactly. Proof of vaccination will be forged, no doubt.

 

[Bald Rick]

Exactly. Proof of vaccination will be forged, no doubt.

There you go ........ start boshing these out & you're on a winner.

 

[Gong Farmer]

I wonder how the Cereals 21 organisers will respond.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

There you go ........ start boshing these out & you're on a winner.

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@Kevtherev

Business opportunity? Kevs Kovid Kards?

 

[Barleymow]

I thought every one had a big c tattooed on their forehead, I did when I had my 1st jab last week

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Maybe they just didn’t like you.....

 

[76masseyman]

Well our County Show is due on 23 and 24 June. I for one would be very sceptical about going and it costs me nothing to get in as i am a life member!! If I do go it will be masks and rubber gloves job!
what would other people think?
WB

I would be very sceptical about a large gathering so early after June 21st, even if it is outdoors. Boris said this date was only if the previous lifting of restrictions worked, so I think the Linc’s agri society are risking it if they make the decision to go ahead, and no doubt that decision needs making very soon.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

i wont be rushing out to book a holiday (not had a proper 1 since 1991 anyway) or rushing out to packed pubs/restaurants anytime in the near future

 

[76masseyman]

Well our County Show is due on 23 and 24 June. I for one would be very sceptical about going and it costs me nothing to get in as i am a life member!! If I do go it will be masks and rubber gloves job!
what would other people think?
WB

According to last nights local news, the show will go ahead, yet I was talking to a friend yesterday who has a stand there, and he’s already decided it’s a no go for him this year.