250,000 heifer

[Henarar]

I don't know how it works in Cumbria, but down here, £600 for a 5 month old calf straight off the hill would be considered pretty good money.

not bad at all, milk and honey up north though

 

[Hilly]

not bad at all, milk and honey up north though

It’s not it’s rank , now here in the Deep South is where the good weather is , sitting here sunning myself with glass of finest spring water .

 

[Henarar]

Is it by Jaegerbomb??

no he only has half a dozen different breeds in him, way behind bomber

 

[Henarar]

Get him halter trained ready to meet his public!

whenever that will start up again I don't know

 

[livestock 1]

What sort of rainfall are you on then?

I was looking at some northern stats just now, and there's some wet country up there isn't there?
Jeez, I googled some place called Westgate, sounded really rough.....at 39.99" annually,
and Stanhope a bit down the valley at 36"0,
or up the valley, Nenthead at 40".

I've found the presumption is that us Southern Nancies wouldn't know what weather is, which is why I quote the specific figures.
Generally, experience is that if a man doesn't know the figures, it's because they are such that he doesn't NEED to know.

Depends which farm you are on about I suppose.

 

[livestock 1]

 

[livestock 1]

 

[livestock 1]

It doesn’t always come down as rain

 

[egbert]

Depends which farm you are on about I suppose.

Give us some numbers then....

 

[egbert]

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how'd the cows fare in this?

 

[neilo]

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What sort of rainfall are you on then?

I was looking at some northern stats just now, and there's some wet country up there isn't there?
Jeez, I googled some place called Westgate, sounded really rough.....at 39.99" annually,
and Stanhope a bit down the valley at 36"0,
or up the valley, Nenthead at 40".

I've found the presumption is that us Southern Nancies wouldn't know what weather is, which is why I quote the specific figures.
Generally, experience is that if a man doesn't know the figures, it's because they are such that he doesn't NEED to know.

Does the rainfall tell you much about anything here, unless everything is expected to thrive out in it?

There used to be a Charollais sheep breeder on the top of Shap, lambing in December and consistently bringing out some very strong lambs in July. I very much doubt they saw a lot of daylight for their first four months or so though, and likely only to find the troughs after. Stock can live in a shed at any altitude.

 

[egbert]

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Does the rainfall tell you much about anything here, unless everything is expected to thrive out in it?

There used to be a Charollais sheep breeder on the top of Shap, lambing in December and consistently bringing out some very strong lambs in July. I very much doubt they saw a lot of daylight for their first four months or so though, and likely only to find the troughs after. Stock can live in a shed at any altitude.

on the nose Neilo.
Mine are mostly out, hence have lower inputs. It's all relative.

 

[M-J-G]

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I don’t think anyone has told you to go out and buy a Limousin have they? He was simply saying why in his opinion the breed is so popular

However, Seeing as your so self indulgent about your business, I will indulge you;

As far as I can tell, It’s not surprising you haven’t much of a cash surplus if your calves only come to £600 per head and your Galloways, by your own admission even less. So you have 40- 50 SD cows, let’s be generous and say 50, presumably half steers 25 x £600 = £15000, a few surplus heifers to sell and an odd geld cow even if nothing dies. Christ your galloways must sh!t gold bricks. Even if they cost nothing to rear your business still generates sod all cash - barely even a rental equivalent. But if selling pot bellied, fish arsed hairy pillocks is what you enjoy then I raise my glass to you.

Oh and by the way, 100’ of rain? That’s a drought in most valleys up here.

100 inches of rain is a drought eh, that kinda takes the seriousness out of your posts boss.

 

[M-J-G]

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Where are your cows?

 

[Bill the Bass]

I don't know how it works in Cumbria, but down here, £600 for a 5 month old calf straight off the hill would be considered pretty good money.
(my buyers tell me repeatedly how good a trade it is)
Obviously, there's those who creep feed conti's, and call 11-12 month old animals suckled calves*....but I wouldn't want to do all that work for an extra 200-300 quid.
My time is worth rather more than that.
*And by golly I'd like to see that sort of calf off peat with more than 100" of rain. They're soon whisked away from the hill locally....if they ever get up there.

You don't know how much cash my business generates - although you could find out quite a lot if you navigated companies house i spose.
(cattle sales would be north of £60k.....c.o.p maybe 150% of that)
Perhaps if I didn't have other business interests i might chase farming harder - I might even buy a charolais bull again, and try corning the calves.
But I've enjoyed farming a whole lot more since i realised it's a hobby, and try to ensure it doesn't lose too much.

Keep what you like, it's your concern.
And by all means call other peoples cattle rude names if it makes you feel better...it certainly reflects more on you than it does me.

If you can’t take it Anton don’t give it. Reflects more on you that you post multiple times on a thread about a breed you have no interest in and run said breed down and the people that keep them. I think it’s called being a troll.

The biggest laugh is after 25 pages you admit you are running a hobby!

 

[Bill the Bass]

100 inches of rain is a drought eh, that kinda takes the seriousness out of your posts boss.

Borrowdale valley gets over 140 inches a year.

 

[egbert]

If you can’t take it Anton don’t give it. Reflects more on you that you post multiple times on a thread about a breed you have no interest in and run said breed down and the people that keep them. I think it’s called being a troll.

The biggest laugh is after 25 pages you admit you are running a hobby!

In very real terms, stats show we're all running a hobby...it just that some of us haven't realised it yet.
I found the realisation helped no end.

And I'm sorry. I hadn't realised you had to be a 'fan' to comment on a thread.

 

[Cowmansam]

I don't know how it works in Cumbria, but down here, £600 for a 5 month old calf straight off the hill would be considered pretty good money.
(my buyers tell me repeatedly how good a trade it is)
Obviously, there's those who creep feed conti's, and call 11-12 month old animals suckled calves*....but I wouldn't want to do all that work for an extra 200-300 quid.
My time is worth rather more than that.
*And by golly I'd like to see that sort of calf off peat with more than 100" of rain. They're soon whisked away from the hill locally....if they ever get up there.

You don't know how much cash my business generates - although you could find out quite a lot if you navigated companies house i spose.
(cattle sales would be north of £60k.....c.o.p maybe 150% of that)
Perhaps if I didn't have other business interests i might chase farming harder - I might even buy a charolais bull again, and try corning the calves.
But I've enjoyed farming a whole lot more since i realised it's a hobby, and try to ensure it doesn't lose too much.

Keep what you like, it's your concern.
And by all means call other peoples cattle rude names if it makes you feel better...it certainly reflects more on you than it does me.

so your cattle cost 150 percent of your sale price to produce and your trying to say that’s a good system ? It’s a good job you got other businesses cos you would have gone bust

 

[egbert]

so your cattle cost 150 percent of your sale price to produce and your trying to say that’s a good system ? It’s a good job you got other businesses cos you would have gone bust

I'm not sure you understand how British cattle farming has been working these last few decades.

The EU have kindly been sending me whopping great payments, some of which i've used to prop up a loss making business.
I'm not 'proud' that this system has panned out as it has, but there it is.
My objective, in my farming enterprise is to try and balance how much of those subs disappear into the business, against how I keep up infrastructure/investment etc.
Elsewhere in my wider life, I'm trying to balance the place my hill farming culture has in society.

How things will play out in coming decades remains to be seen.
Meantime, I've had a nice time working with hairy arsed cattle.

 

[Cowmansam]

In well aware how the system works but how the hell can you comment on here calling out other people’s systems when yours is not just slightly unproductive it’s an enormous financial drain how is cost of production 150 percent if you don’t feed and the cattle stay out either a lot are dropping dead or your not telling the full truth on your inputs