you can’t tell the profit from over the fence I understand that but when you see animals in poor states land having nothing done in the way of looking after fences or drains or inputs and stuff been taken off I’m sorry but they are terrible farmers if they can’t look after the land or the animals they have no business doing it
There you go some folk pay a fortune for their hobby, just think those that keep a few cows for a hobby and just about break even are getting their hobby for nothing, what a bargain that is isnt itIsn’t
Yes a hobby is fine but they shouldn’t be calling it a business I’ve plenty of hobby’s and I’m sure none make me a penny
Is for them but it makes it harder for the folk who aren’t doing it as a hobby
In well aware how the system works but how the hell can you comment on here calling out other people’s systems when yours is not just slightly unproductive it’s an enormous financial drain how is cost of production 150 percent if you don’t feed and the cattle stay out either a lot are dropping dead or your not telling the full truth on your inputs
gotta pull you up there @Hilly - but thanks for your empathic views.I didn’t read he was producing at a loss I read he got 600 for his calves and his cop was 150 ? Say minus tags haulage commission £400 net , I bet that’s more than some top price fat cattle net proffit .
there is that side of it but directly in sales they supress the priceAnd yet they help "proper farmers" by spreading the overhead costs of merchants, fitters, AI, marts, fuel suppliers, vets. List goes on. Maybe there is an increase in price on straw/feed, but likewise there wouldn't be such a good part ex market for 2nd hand gear being traded in
Do you think that’s going to continue from the suckler side or will the large amount of dairy bred beef been produced now wash it out
I see , well respect for A. Working it out and B. Admiting it and C continuing .gotta pull you up there @Hilly - but thanks for your empathic views.
I think I said c.o.p is 150% of gross sales - trying to pluck a number.*
Therefore, if I gross £60k sales, I'm losing £30k in currency on cattle operations, not counting my time.
*it's hard to put a figure in the inputs/profit loss, as I (or any of you) might decide to renew half the knackered old gear in the yard, half the buildings, and up the fence budget by tens of thousands at any moment.
Just the morass of write down values does my head in.
As i've admitted elsewhere, I use such shifting sands as an accounting tool most years.
(it's not 'evasion', just management)
And for @Cowmansam ... I didn't inherit much of anything. Succeeding a good AHA tenancy has been the backbone of my good fortune...which i acknowledge was a very fine stroke of circumstance.
As for subsidised dinosaurs...don't fall into the trap of thinking, because I cruise my farming on a light touch to maximise profit, that I'm not capable of sound practise. I'd never claim to be as good a farmer as many around me, but equally, I'm cutting my cloth according to what suits right now.