250,000 heifer

[M-J-G]

It’s the country that we farm in that we are interested in though.
The humpback big eared things are probably the most popular GLOBALLY
That doesn’t mean you should roll up at Carlisle store sale with a wagon load of them on a Wednesday morning now does it???

I wonder if we'll move away from European cattle if we are to supply less European markets.
A lot of other parts of the world like the US say our beef is poor quality (which I guess the Lim largely responsible for if it's no1) maybe we'll have to adapt our cattle to suit higher taste requirements as we look for new markets.

 

[livestock 1]

I wonder if we'll move away from European cattle if we are to supply less European markets.
A lot of other parts of the world like the US say our beef is poor quality (which I guess the Lim largely responsible for if it's no1) maybe we'll have to adapt our cattle to suit higher taste requirements as we look for new markets.

The old Angus was predicted to beat the Limousin off the top notch for 2020. I don’t know if it has or if figures are prepared for us to know.
If the Angus is supposed to be tasty beef then why is our beef still poor quality then?
Or is it something to do with the Americans?????

 

[M-J-G]

The old Angus was predicted to beat the Limousin off the top notch for 2020. I don’t know if it has or if figures are prepared for us to know.
If the Angus is supposed to be tasty beef then why is our beef still poor quality then?
Or is it something to do with the Americans?????

I'm not sure, but all I ever hear is how our beef is inferior taste.

 

[livestock 1]

I'm not sure, but all I ever hear is how our beef is inferior taste.

We eat some of our own Limousin beef and it’s the best tasting beef we’ve ever had. The feedback of any of our beef sold is the best beef any of the customers have had.
I had thought it was probably to do with a little bit more fat on it due to how we’ve reared it and finished it and the fact it’s been killed quietly and calmly and hung for three weeks.

 

[Plain steer]

Shocked, surely the squeaky clean world of limousin breeders wouldn’t risk their reputation on such a scheme!

Fair pay day for the mart to, anyone think they’ll reverse last summers commission hike after all the “live and thriving” that’s been going on over the last 6 months?

What is the commission rate now?

 

[M-J-G]

We eat some of our own Limousin beef and it’s the best tasting beef we’ve ever had. The feedback of any of our beef sold is the best beef any of the customers have had.
I had thought it was probably to do with a little bit more fat on it due to how we’ve reared it and finished it and the fact it’s been killed quietly and calmly and hung for three weeks.

We have retailed for quite a while and I've killed everything from an 11 month old Sim bull to a OTM BSH heifer, and funnily enough the only animal I've ever had negative feedback from was a 23 month old 3/4 AA heifer.

Never retailed a Lim, I gave up on keeping them when I was in my 20s and I could easily get through or under gates.

 

[shearerlad]

Limousin have held the top spot here for the most popular beef breeding bulls for 20 years
This doesn’t happen by chance

This thread and a certain green vs multi coloured tractor thread have a lot in common. They are the top for a reason

 

[Optimus]

We eat some of our own Limousin beef and it’s the best tasting beef we’ve ever had. The feedback of any of our beef sold is the best beef any of the customers have had.
I had thought it was probably to do with a little bit more fat on it due to how we’ve reared it and finished it and the fact it’s been killed quietly and calmly and hung for three weeks.

I think what its been fed , how much fat an how long it hangs has more to do with it than the breed.

Last beast we had killed was a 3/4 lim an it was top notch.

 

[Purli R]

This thread and a certain green vs multi coloured tractor thread have a lot in common. They are the top for a reason

The only thing these 2 threads^^ have in common are they go on for many pages & we are still no nearer! PS, unless northeast has had a rush of blood!

 

[livestock 1]

We have retailed for quite a while and I've killed everything from an 11 month old Sim bull to a OTM BSH heifer, and funnily enough the only animal I've ever had negative feedback from was a 23 month old 3/4 AA heifer.

Never retailed a Lim, I gave up on keeping them when I was in my 20s and I could easily get through or under gates.

Unfortunately my views on beef breed manipulation aren’t welcomed, however it needs to be said.
In my view the AA premium scheme was put in place by certain processors to enable them to have a plentiful supply of cheap grade beef which is what they are looking for. They offered high premiums on AA R grade and above all graded as as Rs by their scheme. Once there was enough folk on breeding AA cattle it was obvious they would reduce or drop the scheme leaving them with what they want as in lower grades that they won’t pay a premium price for. It was the only way for them to control the supply.
What you have described although it’s only one beast is similar to what I’ve heard. The story it’s offered a premium for taste and texture is dubious.
What is vitally important to mention is that the Limousin breed has had top place up to 30% of beef breeding bulls in the UK for 20 years with no silly schemes or manipulated promotions to get it there. Just straight forward good performing cattle that sell themselves above the rest time after time

 

[Top Tip.]

Unfortunately my views on beef breed manipulation aren’t welcomed, however it needs to be said.
In my view the AA premium scheme was put in place by certain processors to enable them to have a plentiful supply of cheap grade beef which is what they are looking for. They offered high premiums on AA R grade and above all graded as as Rs by their scheme. Once there was enough folk on breeding AA cattle it was obvious they would reduce or drop the scheme leaving them with what they want as in lower grades that they won’t pay a premium price for. It was the only way for them to control the supply.
What you have described although it’s only one beast is similar to what I’ve heard. The story it’s offered a premium for taste and texture is dubious.
What is vitally important to mention is that the Limousin breed has had top place up to 30% of beef breeding bulls in the UK for 20 years with no silly schemes or manipulated promotions to get it there. Just straight forward good performing cattle that sell themselves above the rest time after time

Unless you are selling in Aberdeenshire ,where the Charolais will outsell the Limousin every time. I can reckon on £100 head more for my Charolais calves as to my limos. So it’s a case of horses for courses.

 

[livestock 1]

Unless you are selling in Aberdeenshire ,where the Charolais will outsell the Limousin every time. I can reckon on £100 head more for my Charolais calves as to my limos. So it’s a case of horses for courses.

I did have a Charolais bull years ago but calves didn’t thrive as well as Limousin on pasture here. They needed more feed good cattle though. Suited to better ground than I have

 

[Fake it ‘til you make it]

The old Angus was predicted to beat the Limousin off the top notch for 2020. I don’t know if it has or if figures are prepared for us to know.
If the Angus is supposed to be tasty beef then why is our beef still poor quality then?
Or is it something to do with the Americans?????

The American palate is more used to grain (feedlot) fed beef, and in the big feeding states they use a lot of maize- it can taste like buttered popcorn. They tend to kill younger (more tender) too. There is a discernible difference, and a lot of them prefer it. Pasture fed beef is catching on in a big way over there now, because of health and environmental reasons/ perceptions.

 

[ploughman61]

What is the commission rate now?

I understand that the 5p in the Ginny is the commission which makes it £12500 for the sale of the animal

 

[Old Tup]

Nahhhh, the last 80 000 was the auctioneer with balls of steel...

So you think the auctioneer doesn’t speak to / know the purchasers?

 

[Old Tup]

All the quality butchers in the Borders, at least those not in a specific breed scheme, prefer Limousin crosses.

But until 1990, Limousin crosses were only known in Northern England. So to conquer the Scottish market over the last 25 years, shows how superior they are.

And there is no sign of their demise.

Much the same could be said for every breed that has dominated in the last 100 years.....Cattle or Sheep....no one could imagine their demise...
It happened in every example...largely due to breeding fads that removed the initial benefits that led to their popularity.
History is littered with them.
Some are rediscovered.....Shorthorns?......entirely due to the late Ken Morrison.
Suckler herds are undergoing something of a transformation.....much more emphasis on outwintering....and the ability to
stand difficult weather....Inevitably leading back to traditional breeds.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

So you think the auctioneer doesn’t speak to / know the purchasers?

I don’t follow your meaning?

What I said was a joke...

 

[Agrivator]

Much the same could be said for every breed that has dominated in the last 100 years.....Cattle or Sheep....no one could imagine their demise...
It happened in every example...largely due to breeding fads that removed the initial benefits that led to their popularity.
History is littered with them.
Some are rediscovered.....Shorthorns?......entirely due to the late Ken Morrison.
Suckler herds are undergoing something of a transformation.....much more emphasis on outwintering....and the ability to
stand difficult weather....Inevitably leading back to traditional breeds.

The Limousin is at least as capable of being outwintered as the Shorthorn or Angus.

 

[Purli R]

So you think the auctioneer doesn’t speak to / know the purchasers?

Of course he knew the bidders/purchasers! Thats why the last bid was £20,000

 

[MrFencer]

I understand that the 5p in the Ginny is the commission which makes it £12500 for the sale of the animal

That's probably what was actually paid for the heifer.
There are far too many stories of this happening in pedigree sheep and cattle sales.
A group of breeders get together and just buy each others stock and the money just circulates between them. "You buy a tup off me for 50k this year and I'll make sure I buy two gimmers off you next year for 25k each"