30% Increase in CS Payments

George Useless (aka Eustace) made the statement at the OFC that CS Payments were to increase by 30%.
Now any increases are always appreciated but I thought I would look more closely at this and discovered that our payments will increase in 2022 by around 23%. Now this will be 9 years from when they were first calculated, so actually not overly generous at all when you take into account livestock prices.
Now I asked a couple of questions as to whether the 30% figure was the total amount of CS money or whether this was calculated on each individual option. I believe it is the latter as options such as organic horticulture have gone up by 500%!

We have a large area of Species Rich Grassland GS6 which for some illogical reason the payments have been left the same at £182.00 per ha which is now lower than other grassland options. The calculations are supposedly based on "income foregone" which on this species rich grassland in significant, we don't graze the land between mid April and late July.

See below the answer I received and if anyone can explain the logic or understand how the numbers were arrived at!!!



Thank you for your email. We have been in touch with the relevant team who have provided the below response:



‘To ensure consistency and fairness to all Countryside Stewardship agreement holders we have based our income forgone calculations on the same assumptions as were used in 2013, to calculate the original payment rates. The assumptions include the expected loss of income and costs from undertaking the required management, these are different for each option. We have inputted current industry data, as provided by the Andersons Centre and externally verified, into the calculations. As the industry data has changed since 2013 this has led to payment rates increasing, or in a few cases decreasing, by various amounts.’



I hope this helps with your query but do get in touch if you require any further detail.



Very best wishes,



FFCP Engagement Team
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
George Useless (aka Eustace) made the statement at the OFC that CS Payments were to increase by 30%.
Now any increases are always appreciated but I thought I would look more closely at this and discovered that our payments will increase in 2022 by around 23%. Now this will be 9 years from when they were first calculated, so actually not overly generous at all when you take into account livestock prices.
Now I asked a couple of questions as to whether the 30% figure was the total amount of CS money or whether this was calculated on each individual option. I believe it is the latter as options such as organic horticulture have gone up by 500%!

We have a large area of Species Rich Grassland GS6 which for some illogical reason the payments have been left the same at £182.00 per ha which is now lower than other grassland options. The calculations are supposedly based on "income foregone" which on this species rich grassland in significant, we don't graze the land between mid April and late July.

See below the answer I received and if anyone can explain the logic or understand how the numbers were arrived at!!!



Thank you for your email. We have been in touch with the relevant team who have provided the below response:



‘To ensure consistency and fairness to all Countryside Stewardship agreement holders we have based our income forgone calculations on the same assumptions as were used in 2013, to calculate the original payment rates. The assumptions include the expected loss of income and costs from undertaking the required management, these are different for each option. We have inputted current industry data, as provided by the Andersons Centre and externally verified, into the calculations. As the industry data has changed since 2013 this has led to payment rates increasing, or in a few cases decreasing, by various amounts.’



I hope this helps with your query but do get in touch if you require any further detail.



Very best wishes,



FFCP Engagement Team

Clear as mud, it’s all Anderson’s fault 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

Bill the Bass

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
I put a very similar question to Janet Hughes last week, in that it had cost me a fortune to fence off some areas of grassland for mid tier and now the rate is going down. Her stock reply was ‘you won’t be disadvantaged by going into mid tier’ (which I obviously am) - I took that to mean ‘meh🤷🏻‍♀️

I guess we just have to accept that in all these iterations of ag support there is always winners and losers.
 
I put a very similar question to Janet Hughes last week, in that it had cost me a fortune to fence off some areas of grassland for mid tier and now the rate is going down. Her stock reply was ‘you won’t be disadvantaged by going into mid tier’ (which I obviously am) - I took that to mean ‘meh🤷🏻‍♀️

I guess we just have to accept that in all these iterations of ag support there is always winners and losers.

There should be a simple explanation on why income foregone had reduced on land which has the same management (it has to due to conditions of agreement) and would carry the same level of stock as 9 years ago!
The answer I believe is that they didn't understand what they were doing or why.

I would have thought that Species Rich grassland was a far higher priority for preserving than many other options!!
 

Bill the Bass

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
There should be a simple explanation on why income foregone had reduced on land which has the same management (it has to due to conditions of agreement) and would carry the same level of stock as 9 years ago!
The answer I believe is that they didn't understand what they were doing or why.

I would have thought that Species Rich grassland was a far higher priority for preserving than many other options!!
You would think. I agree, I don’t think the consultants defra use understand grassland - I am sure they think hill farming is a black art (which in a way it is).

It is the same with the Equipment and Technology grant. ADAS were used to calculate the grant rate, which for many items is so far off it’s laughable. To many consultants send too much time behind a screen as opposed to being out and seeing what is actually happening.
 

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