3m combi drilling

[ridger]

Don’t bother doing it then…

Do you drive with the markers in the centre of the tractor? If so when your on slopes go off the hitch passing the mark and not the badge on the bonnet and you won’t be far out at all

You get that you sense the mark with your bum cheeks on top of it

 

[David.]

Why do you need a 200hp monster on a 3m combi?

 

[fieldfarmer]

And what is EN590 right now? 90p a litre? That's £7 an acre straight away.

This week was 110p before vat.

 

[Farmer mk1]

I always thought you want 20-23 for running cost on top of your fuel cost to be honest just to pay wages, servicing and abit for replacement machine etc but with how it is now with machines being more i think it wants to be 26 plus fuel now. It’s a Kuhn combi lc3000 I run and not cheap on parts. A new version will be 45k I bet now

 

[Farmer mk1]

Why do you need a 200hp monster on a 3m combi?View attachment 1030773

Because everything is steep and it laughs at a 150hp tractor round here. We are on edge of Pennines here to Peak District

 

[ollie989898]

I always thought you want 20-23 for running cost on top of your fuel cost to be honest just to pay wages, servicing and abit for replacement machine etc but with how it is now with machines being more i think it wants to be 26 plus fuel now. It’s a Kuhn combi lc3000 I run and not cheap on parts. A new version will be 45k I bet now

Someone who has recently bought a new 3m combi drill can no doubt tell us what it cost to buy and how many acres they will generally get out of one?

 

[David.]

Slightly more helpfully, if the man won't pay what you need, let him find someone else to work for nothing.
The fact that he is 78 just means that he has probably had the good fortune to farm through some good times, far more bountiful than thee or me will likely ever see.

 

[glasshouse]

Why do you need a 200hp monster on a 3m combi?View attachment 1030773

On my hills with 4m combie and press, 240 hp running at over 90% load

 

[fieldfarmer]

On my hills with 4m combie and press, 240 hp running at over 90% load

Yep, the screen shot I took is 4 m, 280 hp and 124% load going up the hill, we don't just "tickle the top".

 

[Phil P]

Yep, the screen shot I took is 4 m, 280 hp and 124% load going up the hill, we don't just "tickle the top".

Yep, 255hp on 4m here. Takes a bit of bashing this stuff and it’s already been knocked down once.

 

[pgilliat]

Reading this thread has made me realise how far backwards we would appear to have gone if these modern combis are so power hungry.
Would be interesting to know whether it's the drills that take more driving or the modern horse power that is so poor.
Have drilled plenty with a 3m combi on sub 100hp. Not arguing that you would want a bit more on hills.

 

[glasshouse]

Reading this thread has made me realise how far backwards we would appear to have gone if these modern combis are so power hungry.
Would be interesting to know whether it's the drills that take more driving or the modern horse power that is so poor.
Have drilled plenty with a 3m combi on sub 100hp. Not arguing that you would want a bit more on hills.

Its all about forward speed
100 hp is fine on flat overwintered ploughing going slow
These combos are also far heavier so 100 hp wouldnt even lift them

 

[David.]

Think it just emphasises the different soils etc that we contend with.
My picture above is 3m Kuhn, pulling 4.5 kmh up a brow, working 100mm deep behind 125hp.

 

[Phil P]

Its all about forward speed
100 hp is fine on flat overwintered ploughing going slow
These combos are also far heavier so 100 hp wouldnt even lift them

Exactly, I use to run a 4m rigid combi on a 125hp tractor and cover 25ac on a good day. Now it’s a 4m folding on 255hp tractor, that 125hp tractor wouldn’t even pick it up! But I’ll cover 50+ ac a day.

 

[Andy26]

Think it just emphasises the different soils etc that we contend with.
My picture above is 3m Kuhn, pulling 4.5 kmh up a brow behind 125hp.

Looks a proper 125hp though MF3000 series?

You need 175hp of todays Ponies to be anywhere close.

 

[David.]

It's a 6180.
A very nicely balanced drilling tractor for 3m combi or 4.2m TS.
JD 3050 used previously was always on it's knees with tongue out tbh.

 

[fieldfarmer]

Reading this thread has made me realise how far backwards we would appear to have gone if these modern combis are so power hungry.
Would be interesting to know whether it's the drills that take more driving or the modern horse power that is so poor.
Have drilled plenty with a 3m combi on sub 100hp. Not arguing that you would want a bit more on hills.

Had mine on the dyno while putting the hydraulic front tank fan on and off, it took 9 hp to drive the fan, and a 4m folding combie has 3 gearboxs to drive.

 

[glasshouse]

Think it just emphasises the different soils etc that we contend with.
My picture above is 3m Kuhn, pulling 4.5 kmh up a brow, working 100mm deep behind 125hp.

My pic is at about 8km /hr going up a fair hill with 4m kuhn all dualled up

 

[David.]

Mine had set like concrete and needed more work.
Or an inch of rain

 

[Flat 10]

Yep, 255hp on 4m here. Takes a bit of bashing this stuff and it’s already been knocked down once.
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It can be so deceptive. That doesn't look so bad in front of you at all. Manage with 125HP here on 3m mixed soils but mostly flat. Speed can be as slow as 5k but normally 7-8 occasionally up towards 10. It would be better on 150. Have a front press and eradicators on PH try not to have it in any deeper than necessary.