3rd drill ?

[jimcooke770]

Amazone Cayena : wide ,simple , split hopper , low disturbance ( with disc kit ) , light ,not expensive per meter .
whats not to like ?

 

[Michael S]

I was at a cover crop meeting last week where two no-tillers running 750As both thought that a Sim tech was a drill they would like to have in addition to the 750A. You could go 6m mounted for something "simple" or 6m or 8m trailed to suit how much capacity you want.

Michael

 

[SorenIlsoe]

In general yes, but in details definitely not.
Avatar build quality is exelent. And price is about the same, but with Avatar you get combi drill, with 5000L seed/fert box and more up do date drill for the money.

Same price? That means Avatar without fertilizer must be much cheaper than 750a? Fertilizer in separate box: yes, but it is still drilled into the same slot and you can do that by mixing fertilizer and seed on any drill.
How does anybody know if it is better build? It's so new and errors will first show up in several years. No other drill has drilled so many millions hectares in North- and South America, Russia and Australia as the JD single disc system.
The depth pressure system with the spring on the JD seems much more stable and logic than the 4 rubber pieces on the Horsch.
Horsch has also re-invented the power harrow. What will be next? A Horsch Plow?

 

[Alistair Nelson]

In some ways this brings me back to another recent thread about the 750a where I said about it’s lack of development and bigger sizes. As Clive has taken the largest European spec machine 6m to the limit with retrofit bits and pieces. I dread to think what % of the initial purchase price he has added onto it to make the finished article but possibly another 40% at a guess.

If there was an 8m to 12m 750a that folded to 3m wide 4m high with decent sized hopper, liquid Fert, granular applicator, small seeds hopper, decent closing and depth control wheels and row cleaners then there would be no need for a 3rd drill.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Same price? That means Avatar without fertilizer must be much cheaper than 750a? Fertilizer in separate box: yes, but it is still drilled into the same slot and you can do that by mixing fertilizer and seed on any drill.
How does anybody know if it is better build? It's so new and errors will first show up in several years. No other drill has drilled so many millions hectares in North- and South America, Russia and Australia as the JD single disc system.
The depth pressure system with the spring on the JD seems much more stable and logic than the 4 rubber pieces on the Horsch.
Horsch has also re-invented the power harrow. What will be next? A Horsch Plow?

My 3m john deere 750 does seed and fert in separate boxes. I'd say having only seen the Avatar I don't fancy the rubber depth pressure but it may work well. I bet if they could have they would have liked to put springs on the avatar - mind nothing to stop them putting hydraulic cylinders like a cross slot.

 

[jaan14141]

Same price? That means Avatar without fertilizer must be much cheaper than 750a? Fertilizer in separate box: yes, but it is still drilled into the same slot and you can do that by mixing fertilizer and seed on any drill.
How does anybody know if it is better build? It's so new and errors will first show up in several years. No other drill has drilled so many millions hectares in North- and South America, Russia and Australia as the JD single disc system.
The depth pressure system with the spring on the JD seems much more stable and logic than the 4 rubber pieces on the Horsch.
Horsch has also re-invented the power harrow. What will be next? A Horsch Plow?

The fert thing with 750a is not so simple at all.
Then 750a Is rubbish when it gets old.
And väderstad rapid has had those 4 rubber pieces for years and still does the yob perfectly.

 

[Alistair Nelson]

The fert thing with 750a is not so simple at all.
Then 750a Is rubbish when it gets old.
And väderstad rapid has had those 4 rubber pieces for years and still does the yob perfectly.

Fert thing if liquid is sortable stainless tank and fittings and tubes down to coulter bottom. Just look at a chafer sprayer. If solid more of an issue due to Fert dust but not beyond the wit of man to be fair.

 

[Clive]

In some ways this brings me back to another recent thread about the 750a where I said about it’s lack of development and bigger sizes. As Clive has taken the largest European spec machine 6m to the limit with retrofit bits and pieces. I dread to think what % of the initial purchase price he has added onto it to make the finished article but possibly another 40% at a guess.

If there was an 8m to 12m 750a that folded to 3m wide 4m high with decent sized hopper, liquid Fert, granular applicator, small seeds hopper, decent closing and depth control wheels and row cleaners then there would be no need for a 3rd drill.

My fert system cost me £9000 and this is the second drill it’s been fitted to

Fabrication of extra frame, hopper extension and auger etc was £8000 and a used stocks wizard £1500 for avadex

Drill was 67k at the time new

It could have been done cheaper but I wanted to do it to a factory standard

Overall cost per m still comparable to many other new drills that don’t have fert or avadex I think ?

 

[Clive]

The fert thing with 750a is not so simple at all.
Then 750a Is rubbish when it gets old.
And väderstad rapid has had those 4 rubber pieces for years and still does the yob perfectly.

Fert is easy to fit to a 3 or 4m. Bit more tricky on a 6m but really not rocket science

And you can always use a front linkage tank if you don’t want to start modifying drill frames etc

Having run several rapids (they are good but no zero till drill). The 750a is a lot cheaper to run per acre

 

[Alistair Nelson]

My fert system cost me £9000 and this is the second drill it’s been fitted to

Fabrication of extra frame, hopper extension and auger etc was £8000 and a used stocks wizard £1500 for avadex

Drill was 67k at the time new

It could have been done cheaper but I wanted to do it to a factory standard

Overall cost per m still comparable to many other new drills that don’t have fert or avadex I think ?

That’s what I was getting at and by the time you’ve added gutters and row cleaners and those upgraded depth wheels, working lights etc you’ll be getting upto 30k to make a full euro spec drill which is crazy in a lot of ways on a new machine. If it was mr Horsch or stark (Vaderstad) they would have done that themselves and more even if it was all available as different options

 

[Jon Boy]

Try http://serafinmachinery.com.au/ basically the same opener as a 750a but with all the problems sorted and any configuration of seed/fert bins .

 

[BSH]

I think a wide Dale or possibly the Amazone? My experience with a tine is that I felt each tine needed its own depth control.

 

[Mar6us]

Tobin No-till Tornado?

 

[Alistair Nelson]

Tobin No-till Tornado?

?? What’s one of those

 

[SilliamWhale]

The fert thing with 750a is not so simple at all.
Then 750a Is rubbish when it gets old.
And väderstad rapid has had those 4 rubber pieces for years and still does the yob perfectly.

My 750 is from 1996! Still going - and its got a dry fert box. If john deere produced a 3m 750 with a rapid seed/fert box for under £25k it would be cracking all round machine

The thing against old 750's is their a bit too dear and the they can be rebuilt perfectly but parts are pricey.

 

[SilliamWhale]

That’s what I was getting at and by the time you’ve added gutters and row cleaners and those upgraded depth wheels, working lights etc you’ll be getting upto 30k to make a full euro spec drill which is crazy in a lot of ways on a new machine. If it was mr Horsch or stark (Vaderstad) they would have done that themselves and more even if it was all available as different options

But Vaddy can't even build a no till drill! And Horsch have copied the market leaders disc drill almost identically. I agree the 750 could do with being a bit cheaper and a bit more responsive to the market by dropping some bits and adding on others.

For all the pain in the arse bits of a 750 (there are a few here and there) it still only costs about £1/acre in parts to run. That is cheap drilling - you have to make your own decision on how much depreciation etc. you want to live with

 

[Mar6us]

?? What’s one of those

Found that one after doing some research to find some new drills to sell in europe.
http://www.tobinnotill.com.au/products/tornado/

 

[Brisel]

But Vaddy can't even build a no till drill! And Horsch have copied the market leaders disc drill almost identically. I agree the 750 could do with being a bit cheaper and a bit more responsive to the market by dropping some bits and adding on others.

For all the pain in the arse bits of a 750 (there are a few here and there) it still only costs about £1/acre in parts to run. That is cheap drilling - you have to make your own decision on how much depreciation etc. you want to live with

Seedhawk! They just don't like selling them here because they'd rather sell a Topdown, Carrier & Rapid/Spirit instead

 

[SilliamWhale]

Seedhawk! They just don't like selling them here because they'd rather sell a Topdown, Carrier & Rapid/Spirit instead

They didn't design it though

 

[Clive]

pretty sure that Vaderstad could build a top notch zero till drill................... if they wanted to