4 day week

Lincoln75

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Employers could benefit from 4 day weeks if a job is a 7 days position, having two employees means an employer will not have to pay overtime rates , also the employer could employ two staff with different skills, win win.
 

robs1

Member
I dont think it's an argument between self employed and employed or government employees, some people are lazy and do as little as possible others are far more industrious and work as efficiently as possible, that won't change regardless of the number of days worked.
I think many would be happy to work longer days for four days and have a three day wknd, the problem is we now run a 24/7 wk so who works the other three if we moved to a four day on four days off it could work but then people would complain they are working at the wknd and missing sports and social events etc.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Employers could benefit from 4 day weeks if a job is a 7 days position, having two employees means an employer will not have to pay overtime rates , also the employer could employ two staff with different skills, win win.
You obviously do not employ anyone, to employ 2 workers instead of 1 doubles your costs in pension commitments, holiday entitlements & all the other expenses the government keep piling on, I think there maybe places that would try this but only where the extra cost is easily past on to the taxpayers or customers.
Not sure how this would make a company more competitive against it’s foreign competitors, still there is always the dole queue!
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Flexitime was introduced in the 1970's, nowt new here, just a bit of political posturing.

It is for ' office and clerical staff' not the hourly paid that do all the physical graft and need the hours to make a decent wage.

Just a bit of Political BS to grab the headlines.

We are in a period of labour inflation, so unless it's a law, then most will opt out.
 

biggles

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Location
derbyshire
I worked for 9 years in a food factory, 5 days a week round the clock production. The week was nearly always full or work incomplete and pushed to the next weeks plan or overtime paid, the company introduced “job and knock” if all work was done and no rework or check fails you could go but was still paid for the week. Overnight the atmosphere and the teamwork changed, more product was right first time and fails were few and far between, it wa ms uncommon to ever work more the 4 days and often three. Better for the company and the employees all round.
 
You obviously do not employ anyone, to employ 2 workers instead of 1 doubles your costs in pension commitments, holiday entitlements & all the other expenses the government keep piling on, I think there maybe places that would try this but only where the extra cost is easily past on to the taxpayers or customers.
Not sure how this would make a company more competitive against it’s foreign competitors, still there is always the dole queue!
The 4 day week and having to employ a second person for the balance of the week will effectively kill off SME's.
Anyone who thinks a 30 hour working week is acceptable probably still believes in the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny....
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
At college in the 70's we visited the Leyland Tractor factory at Bathgate.

After the talking and lunch, we walked round the assembly lines. Nowt going on, we asked why, and were told the line had met it's target for that day's production, however they were paid a team bonus for over production on a weekly basis, that target had also been met, it was a Thursday !!

Good old Unions !!!
 
Flexitime was introduced in the 1970's, nowt new here, just a bit of political posturing.

It is for ' office and clerical staff' not the hourly paid that do all the physical graft and need the hours to make a decent wage.

Just a bit of Political BS to grab the headlines.

We are in a period of labour inflation, so unless it's a law, then most will opt out.
There does seem to be two-tier labour market. Office staff/middle class get to work from home/flexibly, now heading towards four days. Few shortages of staff where your job is sitting on your jacksey. Meanwhile, everyone else who actually has to go into a workplace, wherever that may be, carry on as before as a lot did through the pandemic. Many jobs unfilled which involve being actually present and maybe even doing a bit of physical labour.
 

cows sh#t me to tears

Member
Livestock Farmer
At college in the 70's we visited the Leyland Tractor factory at Bathgate.

After the talking and lunch, we walked round the assembly lines. Nowt going on, we asked why, and were told the line had met it's target for that day's production, however they were paid a team bonus for over production on a weekly basis, that target had also been met, it was a Thursday !!

Good old Unions !!!
Worked out well for them didn't it...... Number 1 brand now...... :ROFLMAO:
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
There does seem to be two-tier labour market. Office staff/middle class get to work from home/flexibly, now heading towards four days. Few shortages of staff where your job is sitting on your jacksey. Meanwhile, everyone else who actually has to go into a workplace, wherever that may be, carry on as before as a lot did through the pandemic. Many jobs unfilled which involve being actually present and maybe even doing a bit of physical labour.
We seem to be becoming a society where the people who actually produce things to create the wealth of this country are disadvantaged whilst the pen pushers seem to end up getting all the benefits, this will eventually end badly.
 

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