4 tonnes of soil/rubble - how much to tip it?

[Grouse]

I had a chap rock up when we were sowing , a pick up tipper with some lovely soil on , after a bit oohing and aarhing I said I'd let him tip on a ploughed headland if he tipped it in small piles .
£50 better off I whooshed the p/h through it and it was gone.

Seriously be very wary of this - I know of an acquaintance who did exactly this - within a couple of weeks Japanese Knotweed was growing everywhere - it had been chopped and spread in the soil - tiny chips of stem regenerate and grow like stink - fecking mess and a major headache to resolve involving Natural Resources Wales / Environment Agency, bio treatment contractors and a bill for many tens of £thousands to treat.

Plus the characters involved only just escaped prosecution.

 

[multi power]

Local big firm is £140 for a 8 yard skip, probably the same firm Crazy bull is talking of, as they are the muck away mafia of Cambridgeshire. The problem here is that it started with a gentleman's agreement and now one party or another has decided that they don't meet the criteria. Personally after already falling out, I's get a skip dumped beside it and shift the load over. That way its all legal. As it stands there's waste being moved by someone with no transfer licence, to a facility with no licence, using rebated fuel. To do this everyone needs to be singing off the same hymn sheet, even then there have been non confirmed reports locally of the mafia reporting people to the EA for using tractors and trailers to do muck away "on the side"

Since when is soil waste?

 

[Ukjay]

Shouldn't have a heart attack about it. ffs

If only people knew, a couple of doses of Roundup kills it stone dead....

Yeh right!

I can safely say that it is not as easy as you suggest here, and anyone who suggests so is kidding themselves only.
Japanese Knotweed is an extremely invasive and quite remarkable weed that can dissappear from the ground surface to the untrained eye, only to re-emerge next season or even several years later with a vengence, hence why you can be prosecuted if you allow this weed to cross your boundary into a neighbours land, or remove soil from your treated land unless to a certified controlled waste outlet.

What you may believe is a dead rhizone is actually only a dormont stage, as it is proven that unless you are dealing with very young shoots - chemical attack is not fully effective in killing this weed, thus you also have to consider physical extraction of the affected area.

 

[Ukjay]

Since when is soil waste?

As soon as you ask someone to collect it - it becomes waste.

For the record, we get charged £300 a muckaway load around our area. Brick, rubble soil and a bit of turf. Apparently the recyclers do not like turf, as it clogs their sieves.

 

[Ukjay]

Seriously be very wary of this - I know of an acquaintance who did exactly this - within a couple of weeks Japanese Knotweed was growing everywhere - it had been chopped and spread in the soil - tiny chips of stem regenerate and grow like stink - fecking mess and a major headache to resolve involving Natural Resources Wales / Environment Agency, bio treatment contractors and a bill for many tens of £thousands to treat.

Plus the characters involved only just escaped prosecution.

Apparently a dose of roundup is all he needed

 

[Bongodog]

Since when is soil waste?

Quote directly from the EA:

This waste typically includes soil, concrete, bricks, glass, wood, plasterboard, asbestos, metal and plastic.

It can be produced as part of a large construction project or a smaller business activity, like a general builder replacing a bathroom, or a gardener replacing fence panels and paving slabs.

Thats their words not mine. You might think it ridiculous, so might I, but that's the rules we have to work to.

Generally carrying waste you generate yourself is ok, but builders have to have a licence as soon as they carry any construction waste at all.

 

[Grouse]

Apparently a dose of roundup is all he needed

Not quite - it needs repeated treatments time and time again over several years and frequently that fails - the treatment usually only weakens the plant - and what do you do with the lost crops on the area your treating ...

Just google Japanese Knotweed Code of Practice and the issues will soon become evident

 

[smcapstick]

As soon as you ask someone to collect it - it becomes waste.

For the record, we get charged £300 a muckaway load around our area. Brick, rubble soil and a bit of turf. Apparently the recyclers do nit like turf, as it cligs their sieves.

Officer Crabtree?

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

I can see this is going to go a bit like the trailer weights thread; legislation, rules and regulations, bla, bla, bla... surely a bit of simple discretion is all that's needed, if you're going to take £50 from someone you don't know to tip some soil then that's up to you, or if you're the tipper, you're not going to stich up the 'dump site' - or at least I hope not.

Chap only wants to tip a bit of dirt and we're getting the books AND the crayons out

 

[Ukjay]

Not quite - it needs repeated treatments time and time again over several years and frequently that fails - the treatment usually only weakens the plant - and what do you do with the lost crops on the area your treating ...

Just google Japanese Knotweed Code of Practice and the issues will soon become evident

Hi

That quote was me being sarcastic due to earlier comments about a post I made - not my own personal views. I know all too well the issues with this weed (once an admired plant), and the massive problem it is causing - especially to property owners who have this.

It can severely devalue a property, and all property sales are checking for presence of JKW whereby mortgage lenders are also becoming very cautious about lending against properties due to the structural damage this weed can do, and the known timescales that it can take to treat this as a result.

Additionally - I sit here wondering if the ones who think they have killed it on here, have also not declared they have this and could have potentially passed it on or spread it further around the land, as any ploughing etc will help dipurse this weed and depending on the business - could be passing this on to unsuspecting customers.

 

[Ukjay]

Officer Crabtree?
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Erm, It was a simple reply to a question, now how was my post moaning as you make out?

 

[smcapstick]

Erm, It was a simple reply to a question, now how was my post moaning as you make out?

No, not the moaning part. The 'nit' and 'cligs' - didn't you watch 'Allo, 'Allo?

 

[Ukjay]

I can see this is going to

I can see this is going to go a bit like the trailer weights thread; legislation, rules and regulations, bla, bla, bla... surely a bit of simple discretion is all that's needed, if you're going to take £50 from someone you don't know to tip some soil then that's up to you, or if you're the tipper, you're not going to stich up the 'dump site' - or at least I hope not.

Chap only wants to tip a bit of dirt and we're getting the books AND the crayons out

The questions were raised over tipping unknown waste onto farm land, then dispersed over the land, therefore wonder if the same views would be so prevalent if other properties became infested through bad practices in controlling this, or more likely - hiding the fact this problem existed and you ended up with a major issue.

Would we simply pat them on the back and invite them over for a cuppa, no I fear we would be livid and (quoting your comment here), would get the crayons out!!

 

[onthehoof]

No, not the moaning part. The 'nit' and 'cligs' - didn't you watch 'Allo, 'Allo?

Erm, It was a simple reply to a question, now how was my post moaning as you make out?

Stipid min

 

[Ukjay]

No, not the moaning part. The 'nit' and 'cligs' - didn't you watch 'Allo, 'Allo?

Sorry no, that has obviously passed me by, so has no meaning to me unfortunately?

 

[smcapstick]

Sorry no, that has obviously passed me by, so has no meaning to me unfortunately?

 

[Ukjay]

And what are nit and cligs, still unsure here sorry?

 

[onthehoof]

And what are nit and cligs, still unsure here sorry?

 

[smcapstick]

And what are nit and cligs, still unsure here sorry?

Never mind.

 

[Ukjay]

Obviously I am missing something here - but again, sarcasm instead of clarity! We could all take the pi $$, but surely if there is a point being missed, the corrective measure would be to highlight the point intended?