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caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
It says everything when the Tories are committing what looks to be the longest case of party political suicide in history yet the opposition are still no more popular.

Are they?

I reckon some of May's supporters have bunged letters in, in order to bring this matter to a head and get it out of the way.
We're stuck with her for the next year at least now.
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
F$$king sure I would be as well, need a thick skin for that job.

I think that most hold a fair number of their opponents in contempt - both within and without their own party - and few people care much for the opinion of those they despise. That's one reason why the EU works so well in the face of opposition to its undemocratic nature...
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Theresa May has at least a reasonable level of cross party support for her approach to Brexit and has some appeal to both remain and leave voters.

I really can't see that there is anybody who would gain more cross party support or find any more common ground between leave and remain, so this vote is yet another waste of time.

If the Tories get a hard Brexit leader they are doomed. I don't think a soft Brexit leader can do any more than Theresa has done. A "scrap Brexit" leader is unlikely and again wouldn't survive long though this is now probably the most sensible option for the good of the country.

It's a deep hole and they just can't stop digging.
 

The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
Can someone please explain how it would be undemocratic to have another Brexit referendum/vote after two years when it is apparently democratic to change a Prime Minister who was elected in a vote that took place a few weeks after the Brexit referendum? :scratchhead:

Funny, John Reid asked that question in the Lord's on Monday. Why is it right to reconsult the public on which party they'd like to govern, but not to reconsult on Brexit?

My own view is it was never right to consult on Brexit in the first place. There's no point keeping a dog, and barking yourself. It was for a government to proceed with parliamentary support to a Brexit.
 

Ashtree

Member
Theresa May has at least a reasonable level of cross party support for her approach to Brexit and has some appeal to both remain and leave voters.

I really can't see that there is anybody who would gain more cross party support or find any more common ground between leave and remain, so this vote is yet another waste of time.

If the Tories get a hard Brexit leader they are doomed. I don't think a soft Brexit leader can do any more than Theresa has done. A "scrap Brexit" leader is unlikely and again wouldn't survive long though this is now probably the most sensible option for the good of the country.

It's a deep hole and they just can't stop digging.

Got it in one, right there! There is political stalemate until at least the next general election.
Even then, considering the split of leave and remain MP’s in both Lab and Tory, the next parliment is likely to also be a stalemate.

Likely a people’s vote is the only way to sort it out.
But no guarantee there either.
 

corkman2013

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Location
co.cork
Are they?

I reckon some of May's supporters have bunged letters in, in order to bring this matter to a head and get it out of the way.
We're stuck with her for the next year at least now.
Could the PM have had a quite word with a couple of supporters to put in the letters.
Good time for a vote. If she wins she's got 12 months of peace from her own. If she loses she's still there until January and won't have to worry about brexit.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Could the PM have had a quite word with a couple of supporters to put in the letters.
Good time for a vote. If she wins she's got 12 months of peace from her own. If she loses she's still there until January and won't have to worry about brexit.
An interesting possibility, although less likely than the more obvious alternative.

Last night I had a chat with a couple of friends in the party and the opinion as to her fate if a vote were to be called was split - but that was then. Today, now we know there will be a vote this evening, I emailed them to see how things stand. Both are now uncertain, saying it will probably depend upon her performance at the meeting before the vote.

Edited to add: both now think a victory for her more likely, but don't discount her ability to throw it with a poor performance.

Interestingly... and this is pure hearsay, the party chairman, Brandon Lewis, has been 'going ballistic' today.
 
Got it in one, right there! There is political stalemate until at least the next general election.
Even then, considering the split of leave and remain MP’s in both Lab and Tory, the next parliment is likely to also be a stalemate.

Likely a people’s vote is the only way to sort it out.
But no guarantee there either.


We've already had two votes where Remain has lost. A losers vote will not get rid of the lack of democracy within the EU nor Westminster.
 
It has the smell of a fix or manipulation to me
First it’s negitiate and not untill last minute is the potential deal released then 2 weeks of debate with vote cancels at last minute not no confidence letters that could be set up if she wins the vote tonight and leaving her deal or no deal to agree to in January tm
Has a clever strategy to get the brexit job done on the deal she is proposing or we get no deal which everyone is sh!t scared of
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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