500m gov scheme to buy fat livestock

[ollie989898]

If that is the case what do you think Mr Trump will say when the UK trade negotiator arrives for a cup of tea and a chat about a free trade agreement?

Yes but the UK would not want to tariff his cars, the UK has long championed genuinely free trade because ultimately protectionism doesn't work.

Looking into the medium term I believe the non-viable part of the industry will be given environmental payments and in-effect become park keepers paid by the state. They can of course continue to produce some food but they will not be obliged to (saying that is anyone obliged to?).

 

[Cowabunga]

It is very unlikely that the UK will strike any trade deal with the USA until after the next presidential election. The UK is very much down the priority list and at the moment they can't talk, because we are still in the EU and they won't talk at all anyway due to the 2% offshore company tax that is aimed at tech companies and that mainly means UStech companies that trade in the UK but pay next to no tax here on tens of millions of profi, if not hundreds

You can bet that taking US beef and GM products will be essential to doing a deal anyway. 'America First!'

 

[Cowabunga]

Yes but the UK would not want to tariff his cars, the UK has long championed genuinely free trade because ultimately protectionism doesn't work.

Looking into the medium term I believe the non-viable part of the industry will be given environmental payments and in-effect become park keepers paid by the state. They can of course continue to produce some food but they will not be obliged to (saying that is anyone obliged to?).

Will the pittance in social security [state aid] pay their overheads? In many cases, no.

 

[ollie989898]

Will the pittance in social security [state aid] pay their overheads? In many cases, no.

I'm confused, are you in favour of subsidies or not then?

 

[farmerm]

If you think every remainer is happy with an unchanged EU then you are deluded, I also happen to think that you will find leavers to have a much more common purpose than you think - the 11 different responses you mention will all come from MPS.

I can be pretty confident that not all the 52% of the voters who voted leave expected us to do so without a deal... if MPs believed that there was a strong mandate for no deal we would have left already.

 

[bobk]

I can be pretty confident that not all the 52% of the voters who voted leave expected us to do so without a deal... if MPs believed that there was a strong mandate for no deal we would have left already.

There isn't a deal on the table , only a settlement of our membership , and apparently that is the easy bit

 

[lloyd]

Yes but the UK would not want to tariff his cars, the UK has long championed genuinely free trade because ultimately protectionism doesn't work.

Looking into the medium term I believe the non-viable part of the industry will be given environmental payments and in-effect become park keepers paid by the state. They can of course continue to produce some food but they will not be obliged to (saying that is anyone obliged to?).

That's nice
You mean sheep farmers who at present
are profitable.
Paid by the state because they were forced out by the state!

 

[brigadoon]

I can be pretty confident that not all the 52% of the voters who voted leave expected us to do so without a deal... if MPs believed that there was a strong mandate for no deal we would have left already.

Is that right - and yet this is the advice that all leave voters chose to ignore

 

[farmerm]

Is that right - and yet this is the advice that all leave voters chose to ignore

Yes it bloody well is right!.. I know the director of a factory employs over 70 workers and exports over 80% of its output to the EU and imports the majority of its raw materials too. The director tried hard to explain that in the event of a leave vote there was a real danger of the UK leaving the EU without a free trade agreement. Without a free trade agreement the company would have no option but to close the UK plant and relocate all production to an EU facility. Despite this warning a large proportion of the staff still voted leave and said that they don't believe an end to free trade will ever be allowed to happen and "we just need to stop bloody immigration".

So you see many leave voters chose to dis-believe what has since proved to be very factual advice given by the government at the time of the referendum! Instead they chose to believe in the much more attractive, yet entirely fictitious picture that was sold by the pro-Brexit campaign.... it will all be easy, easy, easy...

 

[JP1]

Yes it bloody well is right!.. I know the director of a factory employs over 70 workers and exports over 80% of its output to the EU and imports the majority of its raw materials too. The director tried hard to explain that in the event of a leave vote there was a real danger of the UK leaving the EU without a free trade agreement. Without a free trade agreement the company would have no option but to close the UK plant and relocate all production to an EU facility. Despite this warning a large proportion of the staff still voted leave and said that they don't believe an end to free trade will ever be allowed to happen and "we just need to stop bloody immigration".

So you see many leave voters chose to dis-believe what has since proved to be very factual advice given by the government at the time of the referendum! Instead they chose to believe in the much more attractive, yet entirely fictitious picture that was sold by the pro-Brexit campaign.... it will all be easy, easy, easy...


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[icanshootwell]

I’m sorry, that’s just not true. I’ve seen one of those supermarket’s predictions, and it’s certainly not a positive figure.

This might come as a shock to a few on here but super markets have been known to mislead a tad.

 

[Henarar]

Yes it bloody well is right!.. I know the director of a factory employs over 70 workers and exports over 80% of its output to the EU and imports the majority of its raw materials too. The director tried hard to explain that in the event of a leave vote there was a real danger of the UK leaving the EU without a free trade agreement. Without a free trade agreement the company would have no option but to close the UK plant and relocate all production to an EU facility. Despite this warning a large proportion of the staff still voted leave and said that they don't believe an end to free trade will ever be allowed to happen and "we just need to stop bloody immigration".

So you see many leave voters chose to dis-believe what has since proved to be very factual advice given by the government at the time of the referendum! Instead they chose to believe in the much more attractive, yet entirely fictitious picture that was sold by the pro-Brexit campaign.... it will all be easy, easy, easy...


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yes the remainers at the top have really fecked it up over the last few decades, all that and the majority of voters still voted leave, the remainers handling of the whole eu situation has been an unbelievable farce

 

[icanshootwell]

In the spirit of the brave new World promised by the ERG wing of TFF, I was rather looking forward to joining the pickets at the ports with some Gallic style direct action when the promises Liam Fox and BoJo and Gove have already made about meat from welfare equivalence and provenance

I do hope the red tractor inspectors will put down there lap tops and get down to the ports too.

 

[matthew]

There was a stepping stone, which at first :Mrs. May was for, but then turned turtle and boxed herself into a corner of her own making with the Lancaster House speech.

When we joined the EEC in 1972, and confirmed our position in 1975, what was sold to the populace was a trading bloc.

That is still in place. Rejoining EFTA (European Free Trade Area) and particularly the EEA (European Economic Area) involving many more countries than the political union which is the EU, would have allowed us to trade in a more seamless way, and given us some breathing space.

Yes both groups have rules, but so does the WTO. There is no such thing as completely free trade. All trade between countries has taken years to arrange and quality check. A default crash out, means we start from ground zero, wIth every trade deal needing months if not years of negotiation.

And having given that control to the EU for the last 43 years, I’m not convinced we have the brain power in the civil service to even know where to start with any of the above. And most politicians quoted above? if they had half a brain they’d be dangerous.

 

[icanshootwell]

But we have and have had a free market with the EU on the same level terms. That is exactly what we are leaving. We are LEAVING what you say we desire!

A free market as long as we pay for it, ie 39 b, great deal.

 

[Henarar]

There was a stepping stone, which at first :Mrs. May was for, but then turned turtle and boxed herself into a corner of her own making with the Lancaster House speech.

When we joined the EEC in 1972, and confirmed our position in 1975, what was sold to the populace was a trading bloc.

That is still in place. Rejoining EFTA (European Free Trade Area) and particularly the EEA (European Economic Area) involving many more countries than the political union which is the EU, would have allowed us to trade in a more seamless way, and given us some breathing space.

yep and the uk would have been out of the eu so job done

 

[gone up the hill]

Yes it bloody well is right!.. I know the director of a factory employs over 70 workers and exports over 80% of its output to the EU and imports the majority of its raw materials too. The director tried hard to explain that in the event of a leave vote there was a real danger of the UK leaving the EU without a free trade agreement. Without a free trade agreement the company would have no option but to close the UK plant and relocate all production to an EU facility. Despite this warning a large proportion of the staff still voted leave and said that they don't believe an end to free trade will ever be allowed to happen and "we just need to stop bloody immigration".

So you see many leave voters chose to dis-believe what has since proved to be very factual advice given by the government at the time of the referendum! Instead they chose to believe in the much more attractive, yet entirely fictitious picture that was sold by the pro-Brexit campaign.... it will all be easy, easy, easy...


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Utter rubbish and yet more remaoiner bulls**t!

The EU offered the UK a trade deal based on Canada + last year but remainer May and her remainer team turned it down as she stated it would mean the UK would not be aligned close enough to the EU as she wanted if we accepted it!


As for how people voted, leavers saw the bigger picture and voted out for many reasons and quote rightly did not vote on a single issue like for example : How exports would be affected if its a no deal!

Anyone who is so narrow minded and base their vote on a single issue in such a vote as membership of the EU or not should tbh not have a vote in the first place!

If any remainers dont like the fact that the UK is leaving the EU then they still have time to up sticks and move to an EU country like Ireland/ France etc if you think live inside the EU is so great!

 

[JP1]

Utter rubbish and yet more remaoiner bullpoo!



Anyone who is so narrow minded and base their vote on a single issue in such a vote as membership of the EU or not should tbh not have a vote in the first place!

If any remainers dont like the fact that the UK is leaving the EU then they still have time to up sticks and move to an EU country like Ireland/ France etc if you think live inside the EU is so great!

Did you really write that?

 

[neilo]

This might come as a shock to a few on here but super markets have been known to mislead a tad.

Indeed, but I have no reason to disbelieve this particular source.

Don’t tell me you’re on of those that believe the lamb price will go up by 22% in the event of ‘no-deal’? I’ve only seen one person come up with that figure.

 

[neilo]

Did you really write that?

....whilst sitting in a corner, with 2 knitting needles up his nose, uttering the word ‘wibble’ perhaps......