7r john deeres

KB6930

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not owned one but surely a t7.270 would be a good option if the JDs reliability in this power bracket is so questionable?
I think you'd be out the frying pan and into the fire there!! I only know of 1 round here and it likes a visit to the dealership regular it went for a service 3 weeks ago and is currently lying with it's gearbox separated from the rest of it . No idea what's up but the 1 man band owner driver says it's a good job it's still in warranty
 

dave mountain

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In my mind, a t7.270 is not a replacement for a 7r. It’s a smaller and lighter machine, more comparable to a 6r.
not much between a 7930 and a t7.270 surely?
I think you'd be out the frying pan and into the fire there!! I only know of 1 round here and it likes a visit to the dealership regular it went for a service 3 weeks ago and is currently lying with it's gearbox separated from the rest of it . No idea what's up but the 1 man band owner driver says it's a good job it's still in warranty
fair enough, contractor here has a couple and speaks well of them, though one had a autocommand rebuild at 8k hours, he said it was £6k which is a lot less than an autopowr box. he runs 6930s too so wouldnt call him biased. tbh my SWB t7 has been good to me so far too (10 years old). I quite like a JD but they need to be absolutely faultless to justify the 20k-30k difference from NH, and it doesn't seem they are from reading this thread, even before you consider jd parts prices.
 

NZ Tech

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not much between a 7930 and a t7.270 surely?

fair enough, contractor here has a couple and speaks well of them, though one had a autocommand rebuild at 8k hours, he said it was £6k which is a lot less than an autopowr box. he runs 6930s too so wouldnt call him biased. tbh my SWB t7 has been good to me so far too (10 years old). I quite like a JD but they need to be absolutely faultless to justify the 20k-30k difference from NH, and it doesn't seem they are from reading this thread, even before you consider jd parts prices.


6k to repair seems light considering they can vary between 80-120hrs depending on who works on them labour wise.
 

NZ Tech

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Do they make any tractors to replace the old 7030 series that last and are reliable and cheap to run? I don’t like the leg-room on the 6r. The 7r are bad and the 8r are a much bigger tractor.
No they dont make a replacement. I dont see the 250r as a great machine either. 215s tweaked arent bad. But there is massive hole in jd line up. 6rs can be difficult to repair, 7rs absolute junk and 8rs are pretty much a revamped 8030. I cant see where the r&d is getting done now days.

M series here are the shining light for deeres. But they are pricing them off the map and making them complicated as well to what end I'm unsure. A budget tractor getting made into a R series it seems.
 

dave mountain

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No they dont make a replacement. I dont see the 250r as a great machine either. 215s tweaked arent bad. But there is massive hole in jd line up. 6rs can be difficult to repair, 7rs absolute junk and 8rs are pretty much a revamped 8030. I cant see where the r&d is getting done now days.

M series here are the shining light for deeres. But they are pricing them off the map and making them complicated as well to what end I'm unsure. A budget tractor getting made into a R series it seems.
you are right about the Ms, they really dont seem interested in selling me one, either that or the seemingly extortionate prices ive been quoted are actually correct :rolleyes: t5 dynamic command coming in cheaper than 6090m powrquad
 

NZ Tech

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you are right about the Ms, they really dont seem interested in selling me one, either that or the seemingly extortionate prices ive been quoted are actually correct :rolleyes: t5 dynamic command coming in cheaper than 6090m powerquad

Ms were $750 per horsepower here when they came out. Now they are over 1k per hp. That use to be a selling point, bang for buck. Now i guess they see R not selling well(here) and Ms are so they are Jacking the price on them
 

Serup

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No they dont make a replacement. I dont see the 250r as a great machine either. 215s tweaked arent bad. But there is massive hole in jd line up. 6rs can be difficult to repair, 7rs absolute junk and 8rs are pretty much a revamped 8030. I cant see where the r&d is getting done now days.

M series here are the shining light for deeres. But they are pricing them off the map and making them complicated as well to what end I'm unsure. A budget tractor getting made into a R series it seems.

I don't see a 6R as a replacement for my old 7030 tractors. They are much more compact and the cab is much smaller. Even though the biggest model it is the same weight and has more power.

I also have a 2019 6195M with command quad. At exactly 2000 hours, a powershift gear stopped working, just grinding. It was sold as the spiritual descendend from the 7810, same wheelbase, same weight, same power, same simple construction with nothing to go wrong. It was a clutchplate that was broken. A known fault in the M series apparently, as it was the 4th they did just this year at the location i use. I had to pay 25% of the bill, which was a whopping £12k total. They swapped powershift gear 1 and 2 as a permanent fix. That really erased any faith i had left, that it would be cheaper and more reliable to run newer jd tractors and just pay the depreciation.

My problem is that today, tractors with the same power as a 7930, are pocket rockets. Those longer tractors with a very different balance, are much much stronger now, and way more powerfull than i need. My 6M need a 1000 kg weight in the front lift, before it can lift the same implements as the 7030 series do without any weight on front. It's a very different tractor.
 
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dave mountain

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Ms were $750 per horsepower here when they came out. Now they are over 1k per hp. That use to be a selling point, bang for buck. Now i guess they see R not selling well(here) and Ms are so they are Jacking the price on them
quite possibly. no matter how much i want it or how nice it is, its still very hard for me to justify over £70k on a 90hp loader tractor. new ts100 with quicke loader was £20k 20 years ago. a nice low hour one is still £20k now, but when it does exactly the same job as a £70k JD it does make you think. dont really know what to buy 😂
 

Serup

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Ms were $750 per horsepower here when they came out. Now they are over 1k per hp. That use to be a selling point, bang for buck. Now i guess they see R not selling well(here) and Ms are so they are Jacking the price on them
The big ones are less than $750 per horsepower here. At least if we are talking US $
 

dave mountain

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I don't see a 6R as a replacement for my old 7030 tractors. They are much more compact and the cab is much smaller. Even though the biggest model it is the same weight and has more power.

I also have a 2019 6195M with command quad. At exactly 2000 hours, a powershift gear stopped working, just grinding. It was sold as the spiritual descendend from the 7810, same wheelbase, same weight, same power, same simple construction with nothing to go wrong. It was a clutchplate that was broken. A known fault in the M series apparently, as it was the 4th they did just this year at the location i use. I had to pay 25% of the bill, which was a whopping £12k total. They swapped powershift gear 1 and 2 as a permanent fix. That really erased any faith i had left, that it would be cheaper and more reliable to run newer jd tractors and just pay the depreciation.

My problem is that today, tractors with the same power as a 7930, are pocket rockets. Those longer tractors with a very different balance, are much much stronger now, and way more powerfull than i need. My 6M need a 1000 kg weight in the front lift, before it can lift the same implements as the 7030 series do without any weight on front. It's a very different tractor.
magnum 260?
 

NZ Tech

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I don't see a 6R as a replacement for my old 7030 tractors. They are much more compact and the cab is much smaller. Even though the biggest model it is the same weight and has more power.

I also have a 2019 6195M with command quad. At exactly 2000 hours, a powershift gear stopped working, just grinding. It was sold as the spiritual descendend from the 7810, same wheelbase, same weight, same power, same simple construction with nothing to go wrong. It was a clutchplate that was broken. A known fault in the M series apparently, as it was the 4th they did just this year at the location i use. I had to pay 25% of the bill, which was a whopping £12k total. They swapped powershift gear 1 and 2 as a permanent fix. That really erased any faith i had left, that it would be cheaper and more reliable to run newer jd tractors and just pay the depreciation.

My problem is that today, tractors with the same power as a 7930, are pocket rockets. Those longer tractors with a very different balance, are much much stronger now, and way more powerfull than i need. My 6M need a 1000 kg weight in the front lift, before it can lift the same implements as the 7030 series do without any weight on front. It's a very different tractor.

I dont know how they do it. They have been producing powerquad transmissions since 00s. Apart from modulator housings its the same trans. Yet they swap a plate and made it from 2 pieces of steel and they break and you lose 2nd or 3rd. I scratched my head about this and still do. Only up side to an R is they have a steel head gasket and the tier 2 ms dont.. so they fail but they are so easy to do on a tier 2 m no one cares.

Its pretty tough to watch now days to be honest.
 

dave mountain

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I dont know how they do it. They have been producing powerquad transmissions since 00s. Apart from modulator housings its the same trans. Yet they swap a plate and made it from 2 pieces of steel and they break and you lose 2nd or 3rd. I scratched my head about this and still do. Only up side to an R is they have a steel head gasket and the tier 2 ms dont.. so they fail but they are so easy to do on a tier 2 m no one cares.

Its pretty tough to watch now days to be honest.
if you could buy a tier 2 M series in the UK, or any new tier 2 tractor tbh, that would be all i would run.
 

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