- Location
- Cirencester
No sludge for malting which I assume you're trying to get if you're aiming at 1.8N??
8t Plus spring barley fertilizer program
- Thread starter willy
- Start date
January drilling 450 seeds
March drilling 575 seeds
165kg N 60% on seedbed on early drilled 100% on late
N&P starter fert as 16:16:00 (40kg banded 15kg per/ha)
3yr average 8.2t/ha malting variety 70% Irina 30% Propino
Heavy land ploughed and Topdown August, 12m Kompactor pre drill with Vaderstad
Light land ploughed & power harrowed then Vaderstad
March drilling 575 seeds
165kg N 60% on seedbed on early drilled 100% on late
N&P starter fert as 16:16:00 (40kg banded 15kg per/ha)
3yr average 8.2t/ha malting variety 70% Irina 30% Propino
Heavy land ploughed and Topdown August, 12m Kompactor pre drill with Vaderstad
Light land ploughed & power harrowed then Vaderstad
warksfarmer
Member
We got 8.1t/ha from 300kg/ha seed rate planted in early April. 160kg/ha N in two even splits. N1 as soon as the crops in row. N2 2 weeks later. Iirc two fungicides. No P & K but indexs are good anyway. It wasn't malting and I think it was Tipple. It was drilled with a Weaving into a mixture of ploughed/rolled and direct.
This year same approach except some will be combi drilled into ploughed/rolled as it's after root crops and the rest combi drilled into autumn disc/pressed linseed stubble.
Seed isn't dressed either.
This year same approach except some will be combi drilled into ploughed/rolled as it's after root crops and the rest combi drilled into autumn disc/pressed linseed stubble.
Seed isn't dressed either.
wellingtonfarmer
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
When people apply n to seedbed, does it matter if it's before after the crop has been drilled?
With liquid n is there any chance of the n burning the seedling?
With liquid n is there any chance of the n burning the seedling?
I'll be doing this ahead of my Claydon drill straight into stubble - couldn't do it before when ploughing where I had to wait for pre em markers to travel. You would hope that the liquid had spread out in the soil sufficiently to dilute it. Your risk is that you get a heavy rain after application and before drilling that leaches it away from the seed.
There are a few no tillers who put liquid N into the slot with the seed who seem to get on ok with it.
Hindsight
Member
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Just a personal view but I will stand up to be kicked down. I have followed a few of these threads and apart from lightest soils (sands / loamy sand) consider that most on here over estimate the issue of leaching from spring application in the eastern counties - which I will define as middle of February onwards and east of the M6.
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Shropshire Farmer
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- Location
- Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
Surely it would leach with heavy rain with or without a crop. The later the crop is drilled the more seed bed fertiliser you need. The crop needs to go in and grow away. I'm planning on 50-70 % of my n going on in the seed bed, spring barley sown with a 750a. I also do not plan to kill cover until just before crop emergence.
ollie989898
Member
I am convinced seed rate and time of drilling is more of a factor than how much N you apply, but we live and learn.
I would plough permanent pasture personally and drill plenty of seed. I have never seen wireworm attack spring barley any sense, the stuff jumps up, tillers and is growing a stem before you have time to wink.
I would plough permanent pasture personally and drill plenty of seed. I have never seen wireworm attack spring barley any sense, the stuff jumps up, tillers and is growing a stem before you have time to wink.
warksfarmer
Member
Spring barley has got to go on at 280kg/ha +. Home save it don't bother dressing or cleaning and it will work.
SilliamWhale
Member
Well good luck. I hope it works because killing a cover crop really late can go wrong but I hope it doesn't!
TelesnaAg
Member
- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
How many grains would your normal head of barley have?
Ant...
Ant...
24-25 (according to the AHDB Barley Growth Guide booklet)
TelesnaAg
Member
- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
TelesnaAg
Member
- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
Id be surprised if you average 24 on 2 row barley???
I have no idea how to grow but i fond very helpful to know what i need to do numbers wise...
If you average 18 grains per head etc...and have 1000 heads sqm etc and that = 8.8 tha etc...then you know you need a 1000 tillers...what you have to figure out is best way to get them...200 plants with 5 tillers or 500 plants with 2 tillers...
I am aiming 400 plants with 3 tillers so 120 heads...200 tillers will go to god for various reasons...so will average a 1000 and try average 20 grains per head...
Im not there this year as my sowing rate was light...and tillering action poor due to highly rapid plant growth...amongst other f ups...
Obviously sowing date influences plants per sqm required...etc...and having yhe mositure to grow it...
I think id run short of moistire for 8tha...not sure tbh...
Ant...
I have no idea how to grow but i fond very helpful to know what i need to do numbers wise...
If you average 18 grains per head etc...and have 1000 heads sqm etc and that = 8.8 tha etc...then you know you need a 1000 tillers...what you have to figure out is best way to get them...200 plants with 5 tillers or 500 plants with 2 tillers...
I am aiming 400 plants with 3 tillers so 120 heads...200 tillers will go to god for various reasons...so will average a 1000 and try average 20 grains per head...
Im not there this year as my sowing rate was light...and tillering action poor due to highly rapid plant growth...amongst other f ups...
Obviously sowing date influences plants per sqm required...etc...and having yhe mositure to grow it...
I think id run short of moistire for 8tha...not sure tbh...
Ant...
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
When I moved here in 2012, the ground work was done by a local contractor to get the drilling done in good time (I was moving in on March 25th), so all ploughed and limed, prior to combi-driling with Spring Barley. It was drilled at a robust seed rate and into warm soils and DAP was applied to the seedbed, with Nitram and MOP applied as soon as it was up in the rows. I had one 8ac field that came out of long term pp, or rather moss, that was devastated by wireworm despite giving it some serious headaches IYKWIM. That field produced about 4t of grain that year. The next year, they again had a good go at it, despite the same headaches being applied. Rolled it several times to make it tiller, as suggested on here, and it did about 1.5t/ac. I put it into swedes the following year, just to starve the little beggars out, and now we seem to be over the worst, in that field at least.
Wireworm certainly had a go at that field.
SilliamWhale
Member
When I moved here in 2012, the ground work was done by a local contractor to get the drilling done in good time (I was moving in on March 25th), so all ploughed and limed, prior to combi-driling with Spring Barley. It was drilled at a robust seed rate and into warm soils and DAP was applied to the seedbed, with Nitram and MOP applied as soon as it was up in the rows. I had one 8ac field that came out of long term pp, or rather moss, that was devastated by wireworm despite giving it some serious headaches IYKWIM. That field produced about 4t of grain that year. The next year, they again had a good go at it, despite the same headaches being applied. Rolled it several times to make it tiller, as suggested on here, and it did about 1.5t/ac. I put it into swedes the following year, just to starve the little beggars out, and now we seem to be over the worst, in that field at least.
Wireworm certainly had a go at that field.
I've found less wireworm problems when I've no tilled into pasture or kept the no till going. I'm convinced that the old roots provide something to nibble on and a managed retreating food source for the wireworms. That said a spring crop has fared better under this regime than a winter one ie probably has a chance to outgrow issues quickly