A certain trailer pass scheme

[Andrew]

So could a farmer inspect the machine for Loler if he does not do any repairs on the machine him/herself or would that not be classed as impartial enough?

Who is a Competent Person under LOLER?

A competent person as defined by LOLER legislation is an integral part of maintaining your compliance - we've broken down everything you need to know.

www.lloydsbritish.com

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l113.pdf

Paragraph 296 of the HSE PDF:

296 You should ensure that the person carrying out a thorough examination has such appropriate practical and theoretical knowledge and experience of the lifting equipment to be thoroughly examined as will enable them to detect defects or weaknesses and to assess their importance in relation to the safety and continued use of the lifting equipment. 297 The competent person must be sufficiently independent and impartial to allow objective decisions to be made. This does not mean that competent persons must necessarily be employed from an external company. If employers and others within their own organisations have the necessary competence then they can use it. However, if they do, they must ensure that their ‘in-house’ examiners have the genuine authority and independence to ensure that examinations are properly carried out and that the necessary recommendations arising from them are made without fear or favour.

 

[deleted user 436632456]

So could a farmer inspect the machine for Loler if he does not do any repairs on the machine him/herself or would that not be classed as impartial enough?

As @Andrew said above, if you feel that you could defend yourself in court, then Yes. It is in your best interest for the business that the lifting equipment is safe to use.

You have to generate a cert with specific information detailed.

 

[ajd132]

I will add I think these teenagers on maize gangs despite being in new kit are also a scourge. Should not be allowed until Atleast 21

 

[gone up the hill]

I will add I think these teenagers on maize gangs despite being in new kit are also a scourge. Should not be allowed until Atleast 21

Tractor MOTs wont stop accidents like the one in the other thread ref the AD plant, accidents like those are due to poor management as the people employed by them to haul the maize etc should not be allowed to drive like they are but they are doing it because they know they will get away with it.

 

[snarling bee]

There's mad or incompetant 50yr olds as much as there are under 21yr olds. Generally though it is the youngsters who get such carting jobs.

 

[deleted user 436632456]

Who is a Competent Person under LOLER?

A competent person as defined by LOLER legislation is an integral part of maintaining your compliance - we've broken down everything you need to know.

www.lloydsbritish.com

https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l113.pdf

Paragraph 296 of the HSE PDF:

296 You should ensure that the person carrying out a thorough examination has such appropriate practical and theoretical knowledge and experience of the lifting equipment to be thoroughly examined as will enable them to detect defects or weaknesses and to assess their importance in relation to the safety and continued use of the lifting equipment. 297 The competent person must be sufficiently independent and impartial to allow objective decisions to be made. This does not mean that competent persons must necessarily be employed from an external company. If employers and others within their own organisations have the necessary competence then they can use it. However, if they do, they must ensure that their ‘in-house’ examiners have the genuine authority and independence to ensure that examinations are properly carried out and that the necessary recommendations arising from them are made without fear or favour.

I do like it when they put stuff like the word essential in below to push more schemes,

It’s also essential that a ‘competent person’ belongs to a capable body with relevant accreditations and memberships. This includes SAFed and LEEA, both of which ensure competence levels are achieved and ongoing continuous professional development (CPD) is carried out.

not law though

 

[snarling bee]

If I have someone working on my car, or machine, or advising on my crops, or attending to my medical needs, then I expect them to be trained, examined and getting CPD.

 

[ajd132]

Tractor MOTs wont stop accidents like the one in the other thread ref the AD plant, accidents like those are due to poor management as the people employed by them to haul the maize etc should not be allowed to drive like they are but they are doing it because they know they will get away with it.

This is true, to be honest maize carting with tractors should be banned. A friend of mine was doing a 50 mile round trip last year. How utterly ridiculous is that?

 

[Farma Parma]

This is true, to be honest maize carting with tractors should be banned. A friend of mine was doing a 50 mile round trip last year. How utterly ridiculous is that?

be all on red diesel likely... all so wrong you couldnt make it up.
How much harm is all of them road miles doing to tractors
Stuff that game

 

[gone up the hill]

This is true, to be honest maize carting with tractors should be banned. A friend of mine was doing a 50 mile round trip last year. How utterly ridiculous is that?

Some AD plants here are hauling grass/ maize silage 80+ miles in a round trip with tractors and trailers, about 4 years ago one was hauling maize 120 miles per round trip with tractors and trailers.

 

[Lexion1000]

How many tractor and trailer accidents are caused by inadequate brakes? I surmise that very few indeed are. They are just making more jobs for the boys on the back of spurious Elf and Safety claims.

Inadequate brakes don’t cause accidents but well adjusted brakes can save accidents from happening and get people out of trouble.

 

[Andrew]

As far as the cost of inspections go:

A roadworthiness inspection for a HGV and trailer costs approximately £250. These (normally) can be a maximum of 12 weeks apart. In arduous conditions (such as off road the same as tractors), high mileage, or if the vehicle is over 12 years old, this is mandatorily reduced to 6 weeks. So you're looking at £250x8 = £2000/year.

You also then have the quarterly loaded brake test at £10/ axle, so £60/ time, £240/year. You then have to factor in downtime, dropping off at garage, or paying someone to aid the inspector if you have it done at your site.
So we're at £2240 / year before any remedial work or the annual MOT test.

There is no more money in running trucks than there is in farming, and yet they are forced by law to spend all this money to help keep our roads safe, so is it wrong for farmers to spend a fraction of this to help road safety.

I'm sure @Clive used to run trucks as well as the farm, but stopped doing it so there may even be more profit in farming than running trucks ?

If our representative bodies all agreed on a test, and we, as an industry, supported it, the chances are the DVSA would take this and go a step further, and agree to higher weight limits or speeds for those that voluntarily take the test. This was even hinted at by the DfT representative at the NAAC transport conference a few years back.

 

[deleted user 436632456]

If I have someone working on my car, or machine, or advising on my crops, or attending to my medical needs, then I expect them to be trained, examined and getting CPD.

Competence comes in many forms, you can have a qualified doctor who isn't competent.

I'm a member of a few accreditation/membership schemes for health and safety and waste management.. I pay them money and they let me put letters at the end of my name.... (Yes, I was deemed competent to join them)

 

[Tarw Coch]

This is true, to be honest maize carting with tractors should be banned. A friend of mine was doing a 50 mile round trip last year. How utterly ridiculous is that?

Bit extreme to say carting maize with tractors should be banned, is there anything better for getting it out of the field?
The trouble is some of the distances it’s being hauled afterwards and it’s not just maize. Larger tractors and trailers have facilitated this long distance haulage, and whilst the theme of this topic is brakes, a lot of this haulage work is being done by tractors exceeding their legal speed pulling trailers exceeding their legal weight, and the heavier and faster they travel along with longer distances all gives more opportunities for accidents to occur.

 

[gone up the hill]

This is true, to be honest maize carting with tractors should be banned. A friend of mine was doing a 50 mile round trip last year. How utterly ridiculous is that?

Also untill they sold up recently a local veg operation would be hauling veg with tractor's and trailer's so far some times that in a 12 hour shift some days they only did one round trip they were going so far!

 

[Cowabunga]

If I have someone working on my car, or machine, or advising on my crops, or attending to my medical needs, then I expect them to be trained, examined and getting CPD.

Hmm. A whole lot of people are not college trained, examined or anything and do everything above. One of the best mechanics in a dealership I used to work with is completely illiterate but he can repair almost anything. He even made a special tool up for testing and setting a power shifted synchro gearbox that required complex electrical switchgear before the official expensive special tool was available from the manufacturer and repaired five tractors with it, stripping the gearboxes out and bench repairing and testing with not a single come-back from a customer. Never did an exam in his life.
Lots of medical quacks such as alternative healers have no formally recognised qualifications either, although some of them may belong to a trade body that charges for the use of some obscure lettering after their names.

If people really want to add cost to their businesses while never getting to the root of the problem, which is incompetent farmers employing incompetent cheap staff, then by all means add more rules and regulations and inspections and costs. You will make loads of money after brexit to pay for it all I'm sure.

 

[Cowabunga]

Also untill they sold up recently a local veg operation would be hauling veg with tractor's and trailer's so far some times that in a 12 hour shift some days they only did one round trip they were going so far!

That doesn't sound financially viable to me.

 

[gone up the hill]

That doesn't sound financially viable to me.

Must have been as they had a large fleet of tractors on the go, it certainly was not the reason it was not viable why they gave up ( think one of the 3 D's )

 

[Cowabunga]

Inadequate brakes don’t cause accidents but well adjusted brakes can save accidents from happening and get people out of trouble.

I've yet to see functioning but inadequate brakes. I've often seen irresponsible speed for the conditions and braking performance available. Also seen non functioning and even not coupled trailer brakes of course.

 

[Cowabunga]

Must have been as they had a large fleet of tractors on the go, it certainly was not the reason it was not viable why they gave up ( think one of the 3 D's )

Died? Probably due to the financial stress of each load costing hundreds of Pounds in haulage cost.