A credible alternative to diesel fuel

[H200GT]

Great to see a working example of a hydrogen fueled excavator by JCB.

JCB reveal world’s first hydrogen-fuelled excavator | Agg-Net

www.agg-net.com

Hydrogen is IMO the fuel of the future. All this hybrid / electric nonsense is too complicated and requires far too much infrastructure to make it a viable alternative.

Well done JCB!!!

 

[daveydiesel1]

Great to see a working example of a hydrogen fueled excavator by JCB.

JCB reveal world’s first hydrogen-fuelled excavator | Agg-Net

www.agg-net.com

Hydrogen is IMO the fuel of the future. All this hybrid / electric nonsense is too complicated and requires far too much infrastructure to make it a viable alternative.

Well done JCB!!!

How much money does hydrogen cost? And what would a machine consume an hour? And what price is it gonna cost to buy machines with hydrogen engine is gonna be the 3 main questions

 

[H200GT]

How much money does hydrogen cost? And what would a machine consume an hour? And what price is it gonna cost to buy machines with hydrogen engine is gonna be the 3 main questions

I am led to believe that hydrogen is has a similar cost to that of conventional fuels on price per energy basis, but agree there are a lot of unknowns at this point.

One train of thought is that new nuclear power stations could be set up to increase hydrogen production, they have the heat and power necessary for hydrogen production. Of course nuclear energy doesn't come without its pitfalls, but the alternatives to nuclear in reliable large scale energy production also have pitfalls of there own.

No solution is perfect, but IMO hydrogen has the best potential in replacing fossil fuels

 

[Farmer Roy]

I thought New Holland were displaying or talking about a hydrogen tractor a few years ago ?

 

[beardface]

I thought New Holland were displaying or talking about a hydrogen tractor a few years ago ?

They did and are still working on it I think. Methane for gas turbine engines has taken over a bit as its currently more readily available and fits the current FPT methane truck power plants.

Biggest issue back then was hydrogen storage. In theory it would of required a tank half the size of the tractor for a full day of heavy work. A company just recently has created a much smaller storage tank. Basically consists of a big sponge in a metal tank. The air pockets of the sponge massively increase the internal storage area by compressing the gas.

I'm of the opinion that a commercially viable hydrogen car will be on the market in the next 18-24 months. Beauty of hydrogen cell being that it can fit where a normal engine would go and run through the current drive train plus tank replacement with new tank technology. Its the future of green fuel. Battery vehicles will still have the place, but battery technology and r and d costs associated with it will continue to make long journey electric vehicles a premium in the short term.

All exciting stuff in my opinion.

 

[deleted user 837354]

All great stuff but where does this hydrogen come from in the first place?

If you have the energy to do it, if you can create hydrogen as a fuel, you can create a hydrocarbon molecule of any size you want from air and seawater, giving you totally carbon neutral liquid fuels. Why would you fudge about with hydrogen in the first place?

 

[Farmer Roy]

They did and are still working on it I think. Methane for gas turbine engines has taken over a bit as its currently more readily available and fits the current FPT methane truck power plants.

Biggest issue back then was hydrogen storage. In theory it would of required a tank half the size of the tractor for a full day of heavy work. A company just recently has created a much smaller storage tank. Basically consists of a big sponge in a metal tank. The air pockets of the sponge massively increase the internal storage area by compressing the gas.

I'm of the opinion that a commercially viable hydrogen car will be on the market in the next 18-24 months. Beauty of hydrogen cell being that it can fit where a normal engine would go and run through the current drive train plus tank replacement with new tank technology. Its the future of green fuel. Battery vehicles will still have the place, but battery technology and r and d costs associated with it will continue to make long journey electric vehicles a premium in the short term.

All exciting stuff in my opinion.

Australia switches on hydrogen car manufacturing

Industry heavyweights team up to produce 20,000 zero-emissions vehicles in NSW by 2025

www.whichcar.com.au

 

[beardface]

Australia switches on hydrogen car manufacturing

Industry heavyweights team up to produce 20,000 zero-emissions vehicles in NSW by 2025

www.whichcar.com.au

Looks good. Hopefully we'll get some start ups like that here and reinvigorate the UK car manufacturing sector.

The production of renewable hydrogen is the key. Basically splitting water with electricity and the you recombine it in the cell.

The ultimate green vehicle would be a hydrogen/battery hybrid. Imagine a car that could do 1000 miles on a tank of hydrogen and full battery charge. Or a 300hp tractor with individual electric motors in a 150-200hp frame. With batteries and fuel cell capable of a few days worth of work.

 

[davidroberts30]

All great stuff but where does this hydrogen come from in the first place?

If you have the energy to do it, if you can create hydrogen as a fuel, you can create a hydrocarbon molecule of any size you want from air and seawater, giving you totally carbon neutral liquid fuels. Why would you fudge about with hydrogen in the first place?

browns gas

 

[deleted user 837354]

browns gas

Phew, there I was thinking whale oil was going to be the most obvious choice.

 

[davidroberts30]

Phew, there I was thinking whale oil was going to be the most obvious choice.

well if you can make a efficient way to do it...

 

[daveydiesel1]

If its gonna be the same price to run it from a consumers point of view am not really interested. Time they had somethin designed that could run of somethin thats free

 

[br jones]

There must be a way of producing hydrogen with the spare capacity in the electricity grid ?.