A question for Brexit hating Guardian readers or any other Remainers

[RobFZS]

Your ushally very good with facts dismissing our export trade as FA is a little far fetched.

EEA/EFTA is to take away the massive bureaucratic nightmare we've been embroiled in, once people relies the vote was very little to do with economics, then we can move forward, rather than having a growth fetish and selling every bit of our being to the devil for some cash most people dont see.

Take tariffs for example, if Tariffs were removed, who benefits? usually the guy at the top as he doesn't pass on the benefit of the lowering of the Tariff, yet when the other way happens, he sticks it on the customer, they use the free market to find someone cheaper, he goes bust and whinges at how the markets against them, it's swings and roundabouts, as one door shuts, another one opens, his job might be lost but he'll just move on to something else, i dont buy this idea that once we leave, no new tech revolutions are going to happen, or new industries that will create such wealth that the Brexit dip will be covered 10x over

 

[Ashtree]

EEA/EFTA is to take away the massive bureaucratic nightmare we've been embroiled in, once people relies the vote was very little to do with economics, then we can move forward, rather than having a growth fetish and selling every bit of our being to the devil for some cash most people dont see.

Take tariffs for example, if Tariffs were removed, who benefits? usually the guy at the top as he doesn't pass on the benefit of the lowering of the Tariff, yet when the other way happens, he sticks it on the customer, they use the free market to find someone cheaper, he goes bust and whinges at how the markets against them, it's swings and roundabouts, as one door shuts, another one opens, his job might be lost but he'll just move on to something else, i dont buy this idea that once we leave, no new tech revolutions are going to happen, or new industries that will create such wealth that the Brexit dip will be covered 10x over

But listen to the Brexit leadership both UKIP and Tory. It’s all about free trade. After all the stupid, lazy, overpaid, unelected, unaccountable buerocrats in Brussels, took way too long to negotiate trade deals!
Brexit Britain would according to them rattle off new trade deals in months, compared to EU average of up to seven years.
Brexit according to them is about free trade, free trade and free trade. No more protectionism as practised by the Brussels criminals.

Seemingly in the process, somehow Britain would export in ever rising volumes and more than balance the books ..........

 

[RobFZS]

But listen to the Brexit leadership both UKIP and Tory. It’s all about free trade. After all the stupid, lazy, overpaid, unelected, unaccountable buerocrats in Brussels, took way too long to negotiate trade deals!
Brexit Britain would according to them rattle off new trade deals in months, compared to EU average of up to seven years.
Brexit according to them is about free trade, free trade and free trade. No more protectionism as practised by the Brussels criminals.

Seemingly in the process, somehow Britain would export in ever rising volumes and more than balance the books ..........

So the 'Brexit leadership' represent every one of the 17 million people who voted to leave?

Does the IRA represent you?

 

[Muck Spreader]

Your ushally very good with facts dismissing our export trade as FA is a little far fetched.

Exports are the most important part of our economy be they physical or services. The country has only gown over the last few decades by selling to ourselves, and successive governments have actively encouraged consumers to take on more and more debt to keep the economy going. Only by exporting more can the UK ever get to grips with this and redress the balance.

 

[Ashtree]

So the 'Brexit leadership' represent every one of the 17 million people who voted to leave?

Does the IRA represent you?

The IRA don’t represent me. More importantly they were defeated in the end. Good riddance.
But the Brexiteers won their battle. They got their referendum. They got their out result. Now they are in charge and in the process of delivering the Brexit economic model. Free trade, free trade, free trade.
The economic argument of Brexiteers is, sharp reduction in immigration, end free movement, get free trade agreements left, right and centre quickly.
Their play book says, free trading, open, global Britain, will quickly grow exports globally. WTO tariffs on EU trade, will only be a blip, wiped out by the increased global trade.

So what’s the end result? Way more globalisation than effects you today. And the sods who voted for Brexit will be the first to feel it, they will feel it the hardest, and feel it the longest.

But I suppose if you get your country back, and feel free, independent and sovereign again, the mere fact that others who may today be rich servants to quote yourself, (meaning in decent employment) are happy to exchange their position to being a poor master again to quote yourself, then Brexit will have been a success.

HOWEVER, ......... if people in good jobs (servants), had been told by Farage, Boris, et al, you may well lose your job, or face taking a lower salary to compete in our new globalised economic model, I doubt very much they would have marched up the Brexit Hill.

 

[RobFZS]

The IRA don’t represent me. More importantly they were defeated in the end. Good riddance.
But the Brexiteers won their battle. They got their referendum. They got their out result. Now they are in charge and in the process of delivering the Brexit economic model. Free trade, free trade, free trade.
The economic argument of Brexiteers is, sharp reduction in immigration, end free movement, get free trade agreements left, right and centre quickly.
Their play book says, free trading, open, global Britain, will quickly grow exports globally. WTO tariffs on EU trade, will only be a blip, wiped out by the increased global trade.

So what’s the end result? Way more globalisation than effects you today. And the sods who voted for Brexit will be the first to feel it, they will feel it the hardest, and feel it the longest.

But I suppose if you get your country back, and feel free, independent and sovereign again, the mere fact that others who may today be rich servants to quote yourself, (meaning in decent employment) are happy to exchange their position to being a poor master again to quote yourself, then Brexit will have been a success.

HOWEVER, ......... if people in good jobs (servants), had been told by Farage, Boris, et al, you may well lose your job, or face taking a lower salary to compete in our new globalised economic model, I doubt very much they would have marched up the Brexit Hill.

Quick reminder that people thought the Eu was sh!t way before the referendum and all the talk of free trade deals that tory zealots attached themselves to in the final 6 months of the campaign

 

[arcobob]

Quick reminder that people thought the Eu was sh!t way before the referendum and all the talk of free trade deals that tory zealots attached themselves to in the final 6 months of the campaign

Polls are notoriously unreliable as we all know but over a period 26 years this demonstrates a consistent downward trend across a range of countries with diverse circumstances and economies. The last four years illustrates that less than 40% overall have a positive image of the EU but the Eurocrats have chosen to do nothing about their lack of popularity or address these concerns. This does not bode well for the future of the EU and totally supports our decision to leave.

 

[Ashtree]

Polls are notoriously unreliable as we all know but over a period 26 years this demonstrates a consistent downward trend across a range of countries with diverse circumstances and economies. The last four years illustrates that less than 40% overall have a positive image of the EU but the Eurocrats have chosen to do nothing about their lack of popularity or address these concerns. This does not bode well for the future of the EU and totally supports our decision to leave.

But, but, but, ....... ask pretty much any citizen of any country what they think of their own governments, once their first year honeymoon period in office is up!!!
Popularity of the incumbents generally trends down once they have to or need to do something even remotely unpopular.

 

[Old McDonald]

And the sods who voted for Brexit will be the first to feel it, they will feel it the hardest, and feel it the longest.

I object most strongly to you accusing me as being a practitioner of sodomy.. Please withdraw your post.

 

[Old McDonald]

Only by exporting more can the UK ever get to grips with this and redress the balance.

Is this the way you conduct your business? Constantly striving to sell more? I have always found it easier to reduce costs than to increase ncome. There is a limit, of course, and occasionally it is necessary to just accept a lower level of disposable money. That might happen to the UK population after Brexit, but nobody knows.

 

[czechmate]

I object most strongly to you accusing me as being a practitioner of sodomy.. Please withdraw your post.

Maybe a piece of grass?

 

[czechmate]

Is this the way you conduct your business? Constantly striving to sell more? I have always found it easier to reduce costs than to increase ncome. There is a limit, of course, and occasionally it is necessary to just accept a lower level of disposable money. That might happen to the UK population after Brexit, but nobody knows.

It annoys me but Richard Branson always seems to come up when folk talk about successful people, so using him, I suppose he had to sell quite a lot of Tubular Bells to get where he is now, rather more than worry about the cost of plastic?

 

[Ashtree]

I object most strongly to you accusing me as being a practitioner of sodomy.. Please withdraw your post.

Well bless my soul, but I have never heard of the word “sods or sod” in the context in which I used it, as equating the subject with sodomy.
In so far as that is the case, then I do apologise!
It most certainly was not meant as such.

 

[Old McDonald]

Maybe a piece of grass?

You are old enough to know otherwise.

It annoys me but Richard Branson always seems to come up when folk talk about successful people, so using him, I suppose he had to sell quite a lot of Tubular Bells to get where he is now, rather more than worry about the cost of plastic?

I never mentioned the man. What has your post to do with the question I asked Muck Spreader? Besides, I asked him, not you.

 

[Old McDonald]

Well bless my soul, but I have never heard of the word “sods or sod” in the context in which I used it, as equating the subject with sodomy.
In so far as that is the case, then I do apologise!
It most certainly was not meant as such.

I did not think you were so ignorant as to not know what a sod is.

I accept your apology of course, but would like you to explain what you think a sod is if it is not someone who practices sodomy.

Obviously you cannot be as cloddy as the man in France who suggested you meant we were a "piece of grass" - or, more precisely a clod of earth. If you meant we were about as intelligent as clods of earth, then whilst it is an insult, it is no worse than many other people post on a regular basis on this forum, and so taken as just the usual type of insult thrown about by many posters who lack the ability to be more erudite. No harm in that, we all have different levels of education, and a lack of education does not signify a lack of intelligence.

 

[czechmate]

You are old enough to know otherwise.



I never mentioned the man. What has your post to do with the question I asked Muck Spreader? Besides, I asked him, not you.

An illustration of being successful by selling more.

 

[Ashtree]

I did not think you were so ignorant as to not know what a sod is.

I accept your apology of course, but would like you to explain what you think a sod is if it is not someone who practices sodomy..

In my part of the world a poor sod, or sod, is used to describe a person who has been taken in by, or fooled by another.

 

[caveman]

In my part of the world a poor sod, or sod, is used to describe a person who has been taken in by, or fooled by another.

That's a fair description of remainians.

 

[Hindsight]

An aside but to an extent relevant. Is Jeremy Corbyn increasing or decreasing his chances of being PM with his approach to the Salisbury incident?

 

[rob1]

An aside but to an extent relevant. Is Jeremy Corbyn increasing or decreasing his chances of being PM with his approach to the Salisbury incident?

Just showing his true colours