AB15 2 year legume fallow
- Thread starter Flat 10
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No. Grazing not allowed on this option.
Is there another arable option that encourages grassing down or herbal leys? They've asked us to come up with a proposal if we can be beat the AB15 income in some way but can't see how we can without an option in play as well
and assume the £309 is per agreement length not per year?
Per year
- Location
- Yorks
Putting me off including grass in the seed mix.The quantity of ryegrass seed return is not small. Wont be drilled this week
That said, I'm thinking about the concept of including a non-ryegrass species such as cocksfoot or Timothy. I noted previously that your baler man liked a bit of stemmy grass in the mix, and I think it will help with a bit more fibre for the cattle when it gets silaged (end of year 2). Will ask my agronomist of his opinion.
We have historically grown grass leys in our rotation, and seed return is a problem. Usually end up using 0.4 litres (old formulation) Axial for the next two cereal crops. And then still struggle to get totally rid of the ryegrass. Particularly bad if thr last cut of silage gets delayed due to weather conditions, and it runs to seed - which is what it will probably do as AB15 if topped in May then harvested late after 15th August.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
This seems to mostly be coming in rows where it was wilted before baling. Just too much of a gap and mowed too late. I expect we will fix it with chemicals which kind of defeats the exercise.v
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
Cocks foot can take over so I would not put too much in the mixture
where we planted cocksfoot for grass strips and runoff protection it has out competed every thing else
where we planted cocksfoot for grass strips and runoff protection it has out competed every thing else
Only down for 2 years and regularly cut.....
Bloody awful stuff IME. Never again... Had it in a reversion grassland and it swamped everything within 3 years. Neither cutting or grazing really checked it. Good for wildlife I guess as plenty of massive tussocks to hide under or behind.
It was supposed to be in a mix I used a couple of years ago, but got "forgotten"....
@Fat hen looks good! I'm hoping my first lot of AB15 is looking like that in 2 years time.
How did you destroy the AB15?
What drill did you use and how did it pull in the aftermath?
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
The last agreement we signed only had the timing of the first payment actually defined... technically any payments made after the first year were on time regardless of how late they arrive.
I would not want to rely on mid tier payment timing for cashflow purposes!
Fat hen
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The AB15 was silaged to mainly get rid of the residue then used roundup a few days before drilling. Bang full of grass and clover roots. My agronomist convinced me that there was no need to disturb it due to the roots and easy water infiltration - its still feels dryish even now - versus sticky stubble fields.
So drilled with 750a whilst things were fairly dry late Sept. High seed rate. Liquid fert. No slug issues. Don't see much BG yet - these are cloddy BG fields! Clover is still there so will monitor its growth. Try to keep it as long as is practical Iguess - red clover grows 2-3ft in this mix.
Fat hen
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its paid the jan and june afterwards so in arrears, which is ok. First year was a year late. Subsequent years have been on time. Initially it was 50% Jan 50% June, then it went to 75-25%, last year it was 100% Jan... chaotic but cant grumble I guessThe last agreement we signed only had the timing of the first payment actually defined... technically any payments made after the first year were on time regardless of how late they arrive.
Would Kyleo been a better bet on the clover do you think in hindsight, or do you feel that you can knock it back with the cereal herbicides as and when...?