Abortions in sheep

[livestock 1]

Vets coming in the morning gonna take bloods off the ewes and off some ewes that haven’t aborted ... I don’t think it’s toxo or enzo really as the lambs are coming clean normally when it’s toxo or enzo the lambs are quite dirty or the cleansing is dirty

If your scan is a bit iffy it’s likely you could have a touch of campo but not 100%
Infertility and late lambers in numbers is a classic sign
Doing them with alamycin is a plan in my eyes
Won’t stop campo but slows it and will stop the other two or at least put a break in
Whatever it is it usually improves when you hit due date
Don’t let it get to you I’ve been there
Used £2000 of alamycin one weekend injecting ewes after multiple slipped lambs and got a result from VI eventually that it was Campylobacter 10

 

[neilo]

If your scan is a bit iffy it’s likely you could have a touch of campo but not 100%
Infertility and late lambers in numbers is a classic sign
Doing them with alamycin is a plan in my eyes
Won’t stop campo but slows it and will stop the other two or at least put a break in
Whatever it is it usually improves when you hit due date
Don’t let it get to you I’ve been there
Used £2000 of alamycin one weekend injecting ewes after multiple slipped lambs and got a result from VI eventually that it was Campylobacter 10

Last proper Campy storm we had 15% aborted (@Mc115reed is still below 2%?), mostly 3 weeks out so no milk to foster anything on. Blanket Alamycin stopped it dead.
Campyvax has worked fantastically well the last few years, but obviously another cost.

Needs a result from PM first though, as Alamycin won’t touch Toxo, and shouldn’t be thrown about Willy nilly, obviously.

 

[livestock 1]

Last proper Campy storm we had 15% aborted (@Mc115reed is still below 2%?), mostly 3 weeks out so no milk to foster anything on. Blanket Alamycin stopped it dead.
Campyvax has worked fantastically well the last few years, but obviously another cost.

Needs a result from PM first though, as Alamycin won’t touch Toxo, and shouldn’t be thrown about Willy nilly, obviously.

I know but the VI takes time and with a few thousand ewes spitting daily time is what we don’t have
I agree though

 

[livestock 1]

Will any antibiotic hit toxo?
I dread last fortnight or so bloody hate it before due date

 

[Northeastfarmer]

A farm without cats (& dogs of course) is a barren place imo.

Pointing to the cats when the FA inspector calls also means you don’t need to fill out lots of silly forms about poisoning sites and dead rat disposal...

I’ll send all the cats to your place then

 

[livestock 1]

I don’t give hay to sheep

 

[Cowman338]

300 due to lamb in 3 weeks so it is a tight lambing but only scanned 154% once barrens were taken off so every loss is felt

I bad the same problem a few years back after an enzo abortion storm went through my ewes, jabbed everything with alamycin and they stopped. The following year I enzovaxed them 4 weeks before tupping and what a disaster. Learnt after that the vaccine can mess up conception

 

[Skintagain]

@Mc115reed you did buy a boat load of ewes out of the culls and a load of random older ewes out of ewe sales if my memory serves me correctly. You then put tups out very soon after getting these ewes home with some in less than ideal condition if I also remember correctly, for a short 3 week period. This was all for an early lambing date too. That would explain the low scanning imo.

The lamb slips will be the bugs of multiple farms going through them.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Will any antibiotic hit toxo?
I dread last fortnight or so bloody hate it before due date

I'm sure deccox is supposed to help prevent it but don't know if veccoxan works the same way

 

[neilo]

I bad the same problem a few years back after an enzo abortion storm went through my ewes, jabbed everything with alamycin and they stopped. The following year I enzovaxed them 4 weeks before tupping and what a disaster. Learnt after that the vaccine can mess up conception

How so? I used Enzovac from the year it came out until about 5 years ago, always 4 weeks before their first tupping, and never, ever had a problem with conception because of it.
If I was buying in replacements I would definitely still be using it.

 

[livestock 1]

I'm sure deccox is supposed to help prevent it but don't know if veccoxan works the same way

We get decox in feed if there’s any problems yes

 

[CopperBeech]

Zolvix, B12 jab and dectomax, at the same time under vet advice!! Had to do it twice, cured the problem but I never want that sh1t again I tell ya!! You live an learn!! Everything gets quarantine zolvix now an dipped on arrival soon as there’s a mob up together

For the record flukiver would also work.

 

[Al R]

A farm without cats (& dogs of course) is a barren place imo.

Pointing to the cats when the FA inspector calls also means you don’t need to fill out lots of silly forms about poisoning sites and dead rat disposal...

Yeah we’ve always had 5+ Farm cats, the older boys tend to kill or drive away the younger boys, never really had much abortion issues very very rare to see evidence of a rat here yet the lambing shed and holding there always has them around and no cats. £350/year for FA and no bait is ever taken here due to cats yet always at the holding with no cats

 

[Pistonbroke]

We haven't had any cats for twenty years because our dogs keep them away. Stray cat with a single kitten arrived and kept away from trouble so I thought it would be good for pest control. Lambed 100 hoggs in a stone building that the cats were often in and lost about twenty lambs and six hogs after aborting. Leason learned☹

 

[scottish-lleyn]

We haven't had any cats for twenty years because our dogs keep them away. Stray cat with a single kitten arrived and kept away from trouble so I thought it would be good for pest control. Lambed 100 hoggs in a stone building that the cats were often in and lost about twenty lambs and six hogs after aborting. Leason learned☹

we always had a few cats about the yard of my mums but one year we had a few abort and they vet said it was the cats so dad got rid of them all. I have 14 dogs now so any cat that ventures into the yard now usually dosnt hang about or leaves in bits.

 

[Estate fencing.]

How so? I used Enzovac from the year it came out until about 5 years ago, always 4 weeks before their first tupping, and never, ever had a problem with conception because of it.
If I was buying in replacements I would definitely still be using it.

I enzovac and toxovac 4 weeks before the tups go in with yearlings, last year they scanned at 208% so defiantly didn't hit there scanning!

 

[Jim75]

Maybe I’ve missed it but what are they getting fed? We had toxo come in 3 yrs ago. Came in via barley. Switched feed source and deep bedded everything and overnight it changed. Can’t remember losses but would’ve been nearer 5-6%

 

[livestock 1]

Cats can be injected against it if they are farm cats. Biggest trouble here is people taking in stray or rescue cats which can often have it. Can’t feed hay now not to sheep anyway. You can smell the cat pee on the hay which likely means it’s fouled on too

 

[Lemon curd]

So what's the story with a NEUTERED cat being less of a potential risk ? Never heard of that before

 

[livestock 1]

So what's the story with a NEUTERED cat being less of a potential risk ? Never heard of that before

Not sure. The cat carries the toxoplasmosis