Access for crane time

[Chris123]

Timber frame company building new house on very inaccessible plot needs access over our ground with a 17 tonne crane Next week to install the timber frame part of the house would be travelling over it for a week, what should I be charging them for access? They are only asking now as the way they planned on installing it is a no go now

 

[D14]

Timber frame company building new house on very inaccessible plot needs access over our ground with a 17 tonne crane Next week to install the timber frame part of the house would be travelling over it for a week, what should I be charging them for access? They are only asking now as the way they planned on installing it is a no go now

Sort it properly via written correspondence as my brother go caught out with this, trying to help a neighbour out. The mess was immense and it cost him a couple of thousand to put right. You really need a solicitor to draft something at their cost if I was you. More along the lines of they just need to correct the damage using an approved landscaper that you want to do the job, rather than charging them a fee for the access as you are then being totally fair about it.

 

[Highland Mule]

@Clive

Country V Urban

 

[Bongodog]

50 grand would be my opening offer, they are right in the crap without your access

 

[Highland Mule]

50 grand would be my opening offer, they are right in the crap without your access

You’re probably tight with the numbers, based on the “1/3 of increase in value/ profit” figure that Clive cites. Given it’s a big number like that, I’d be tempted to use an agent, just to divorce myself from the negotiation and fall out when your new prospective neighbour comes to challenge things.

Remember that you’re responsible for the health and safety for anyone who shares your workspace, so make sure they’re competent and not cowboys.

 

[Chris123]

I believe the company constructing the timber frame priced the job up without coming out and looking at the site and have now realised it’s not straight forward and can only really do it off our ground. Think they may just walk away if I suggest 50k haven’t got a
Problem with them using our ground provided it’s done properly and not left in a state

 

[Fendt516profi]

Get them to lay a temporary track. Just dead grass when it's lifted. https://www.elite-gss.com/product/eurotrak-hd-heavy-duty-access-mats/

 

[Bongodog]

I believe the company constructing the timber frame priced the job up without coming out and looking at the site and have now realised it’s not straight forward and can only really do it off our ground. Think they may just walk away if I suggest 50k haven’t got a
Problem with them using our ground provided it’s done properly and not left in a state

They are the people with a huge problem, they have promised a house, have the sections already made and stand to lose the cost of the frame, plus being taken to the cleaners for breach of contract by the client, They wouldn't do you any favours if the boot was on the other foot. Go in high and see what they say. What do you lose if the house isn't built ? in all likelihood you will gain a new neighbour who will either cut your hedge down to gain a view or dump their rubbish over the fence.

 

[kiwi pom]

Just tell them no, then wait for them or the owner to come back to you with an offer. Not your fault they screwed up.
Make sure your paddock is secure though so they don't just do it anyway without permission.

 

[Tomr10]

Wow no wonder people can get a bad name. Good way to get off on the right foot. How can they do enough damage be in the way that much for 50k


Edit surely requirement is field at minimum to look like it did prior maybe get some improvement in there say drainage or new gate way or access made better then maybe a few quid on top.

 

[puppet]

You are in a similar situation to those who purchase a ransom strip and can demand plenty to gain access across it.
However, you are going to have a new neighbour who may have a long memory.
The contractor should foot the bill as they messed up. You need something in writing and payment up front as once they have gone there is no leverage

 

[pembsarable]

Speak to your land agent and get them to draw up an agreement. They will be able to advise on the fees to charge and all the clauses that should be included. You need to protect yourself.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Just because you can help someone why does everyone assume you should.

im clearly getting older and more grumpy but my desire to help joe public dissolves after a few days on corn cart watching how they go about their lives on the road, I’m amazed some are able to get dressed each day!

i would go and see the neighbour and state you don’t want to fall out with them But really don’t want this. I’d then insist on Indeoednant professionals from then on in and a metal track to stop compaction

 

[Agrivator]

Wow no wonder people can get a bad name. Good way to get off on the right foot. How can they do enough damage be in the way that much for 50k


Edit surely requirement is field at minimum to look like it did prior maybe get some improvement in there say drainage or new gate way or access made better then maybe a few quid on top.

Exactly. I'm amazed there are so many mercenaries on here who don't believe in helping a neighbour.

And if the worst comes to the worst, keep the crane as hostage. It won't affect your new neighbour, but it might get the contractor to compensate for any lasting damage.

 

[kiwi pom]

Speak to your land agent and get them to draw up an agreement. They will be able to advise on the fees to charge and all the clauses that should be included. You need to protect yourself.

Why do yo need an agent? If you have any legal questions talk to your solicitor, otherwise sort it yourself, charge what you want or deny access, either way make a decision yourself. Its not exactly complicated.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Exactly. I'm amazed there are so many mercenaries on here who don't believe in helping a neighbour.

Probably because they have been or know someone who has been bit on the arse when trying to help someone out.

I’m sure not everyone is out to put one over you but it does happen and sometimes from people you wouldn’t expect, experience has taught me to be cynical, which goes against my natural feelings to want to help someone out.

 

[db9go]

I believe the company constructing the timber frame priced the job up without coming out and looking at the site and have now realised it’s not straight forward and can only really do it off our ground. Think they may just walk away if I suggest 50k haven’t got a
Problem with them using our ground provided it’s done properly and not left in a state

You will have a problem when it goes wrong

 

[Richy12]

Just tell them no, then wait for them or the owner to come back to you with an offer. Not your fault they screwed up.
Make sure your paddock is secure though so they don't just do it anyway without permission.

This!

Better to say no than simply agree and be chasing for damage repairs. The contractor will say it's the crane company, the crane company will say the contractor signed a damage declaration and the circle will continue until you eventually throw in the towel and foot the bill.

Block the gateway and sit tight

 

[Goweresque]

Exactly. I'm amazed there are so many mercenaries on here who don't believe in helping a neighbour.

And if the worst comes to the worst, keep the crane as hostage. It won't affect your new neighbour, but it might get the contractor to compensate for any lasting damage.

The trouble is we never get the quid pro quo anywhere else. Farmers are (generally speaking) private individuals in business, but who have to deal a good proportion of the time with large corporate entities who they buy their supplies from and sell their produce to. And have to deal with other large corporate entities such as utility companies, and quite often the State in one form or another. In all those interactions the private individual is at a considerable disadvantage. When a farmer asks the power company to move some poles or put in a supply to a new building, does the farmer ever gets 'mates rates'? Does the Environment Agency ever give a 'neighbour' a free pass? No of course we don't, we get the full shaft and nowhere to go if we don't like it. But when the boot is on the other foot its all 'Don't be greedy!'. When exactly does a farmer get to call the shots for once? Or are we to be condemned to the bottom of the pile at every turn, from the pressure of market forces on our businesses and then voluntarily on the odd occasion we are in a position of strength?

 

[tw15]

Well if you get on with the client who is the house owner i would be reasonable with them. If it is just being built by a developer to sell on i would be looking at the situation a bit harder . Just remember the new owners could always make life hard for any of your future plans . Sometimes it is better to be fair with people in the hope the favours are returned .