Access to home via farm track

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Can’t understand why you would be happy for someone else to spray mark your sheep/property if they get stuck in the hedge or any other reason. Based on that would do you think it’s ok for me to use some stock marker to put a cross on cars that park in my gateway preventing access to identify reoffenders

If someone frees one of my sheep from a problem, I want to know which one. I tag lambs at birth so that's easy, if they know and can read the tag. As for cars, they have a readily identifiable unique mark already on them, so no need to add another.
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
If I had a rough track and someone topped it with 100 tons of planings then I might be quite pleased. What damage could it do? The fence issue is tougher as it can blur boundaries in the future. However the ownership and maintenance should have been made clear by your solicitor. It is their job to check on these things rather than worry about whether the carpets and curtains are included in the sale.
 

primmiemoo

Member
Location
Devon
Still no reason to spray them when you fetch them out of the gap/fence in my opinion.

It is an unusual situation, I agree, but it isn't meant to be anything more than to show the farming neighbours that such-and-such sheep was found in difficulty, and assisted.
This is bringing back memories of a neighbour when I was a girl. I told him I'd righted one of his ewes that was stuck on her back, and had a snide reply to prove it!
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
If I had a rough track and someone topped it with 100 tons of planings then I might be quite pleased. What damage could it do? The fence issue is tougher as it can blur boundaries in the future. However the ownership and maintenance should have been made clear by your solicitor. It is their job to check on these things rather than worry about whether the carpets and curtains are included in the sale.
I think you need a solicitor who is conversant with buying and selling farms to know to look into things like that and even if you have one who is, they can still miss things!
 

toquark

Member
Thanks Highland Mule - I'm amazed at the negativity too. All I've asked for is a little help with protecting the track. I reckon I've been a pretty good neighbour. If I was a farmer, I would be only too pleased to have someone who is willing to help my animals living close by and help/intervene were necessary. I gave a guy a right rollicking the other day for having his dog off a lead as I saw the potential for a disaster - its the things like this that I just do off my own back. I cannot fathom the mentality of some people on here questioning my motives!
I’m not suggesting you are in any way an awkward neighbour, but access rights can be a nightmare and many farmers/landowners will have been stung by them in the past.

Try to understand the situation from the farmer’s point of view - if the track suits his needs currently and has done up until now, why should he pay for its upgrade which only really benefits you?
 

PAAB

Member
Location
South-West
I’m not suggesting you are in any way an awkward neighbour, but access rights can be a nightmare and many farmers/landowners will have been stung by them in the past.

Try to understand the situation from the farmer’s point of view - if the track suits his needs currently and has done up until now, why should he pay for its upgrade which only really benefits you?

No one is asking him to pay for its upgrade - I've never asked for a penny from him. I appreciate it is me who wants to improve the track, not him, so why should I really expect him to pay? See - I'm quite reasonable!!
 

Chris123

Member
Location
Shropshire
No one is asking him to pay for its upgrade - I've never asked for a penny from him. I appreciate it is me who wants to improve the track, not him, so why should I really expect him to pay? See - I'm quite reasonable!!
Don’t think your seeing it from the farmers point here, I doubt it is an upgrade from his point of view. Putting the stone down will have improved it if it was as rough as you said but the fence can’t see any benefit to them. As I said before it’s probably nothing personal on his behalf just doesn’t want to open themselves up to any potential problems in the future and why should they? Your best option may be to try and buy the field off him any idea how big it is?
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
Doing things on your own initiative and then expecting brownie points for doing them is the formula for disaster. No good turn goes unpunished. The fact is, the OP had no right to put the tar planings on someone else's road. Did he ask? Or just assume that the farmer would be grateful? My god, that would annoy me too! Maybe the farmer liked it rough as it discourages trippers. But that's not the point.

No, the solicitor failed to warn his client of the consequences of buying a property with a private access owned by someone else.

Sue the solicitor! :ROFLMAO: But, seriously, if you don't like it, move. Life is too short.
 
Location
southwest
No one is asking him to pay for its upgrade - I've never asked for a penny from him. I appreciate it is me who wants to improve the track, not him, so why should I really expect him to pay? See - I'm quite reasonable!!

I'm getting fed up with this thread and the OP

YOU DO NOT OWN THE FIELD. YOU CANNOT DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT JUST FOR YOUR BENEFIT. OR BECAUSE YOU OFFER TO PAY

YOU HAVE A RIGHT OF ACCESS. NO ONE IS PREVENTING YOU USING THAT RIGHT. END OF STORY

The farmer would, no doubt, find it a damn site more convenient if your house wasn't there-but that doesn't give him the right to knock it down, even if he pays for the demolition!

If you are not happy, tough luck, you bought the house knowing what the access was like.

Furthermore, we only have the OP's word that the track is deteriorating, or that he is providing a free rescue service for sheep and lambs (in a field that is only a stone's throw from the farm yard)
 
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Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I'm getting fed up with this thread and the OP

YOU DO NOT OWN THE FIELD. YOU CANNOT DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT JUST FOR YOUR BENEFIT. OR BECAUSE YOU OFFER TO PAY

YOU HAVE A RIGHT OF ACCESS. NO ONE IS PREVENTING YOU USING THAT RIGHT. END OF STORY

The farmer would, no doubt, find it a damn site more convenient if your house wasn't there-but that doesn't give him the right to knock it down, even if he pays for the demolition!

If you are not happy, tough luck, you bought the house knowing what the access was like.

Furthermore, we only have the OP's word that the track is deteriorating, or that he is providing a free rescue service for sheep and lambs (in a field that is only a stone's throw from the farm yard)

I’m getting fed up with people commenting without reading the whole thread, and jumping to conclusions. We do not know the nature of the access rights, but if the track was deteriorating (as detailed in post 1) it is quite valid for the OP to seek its repair back to an acceptable standard to facilitate said access. If the owner is as unco-operative as is suggested, the action taken is also reasonable.
 
TBH a photo of the track would help, but again by the sound of it its the farms track not the OP, did the farmer sell him the cottage ? or was that someone els? again the op has access but he's doesn't own the track. is bit of sheep muck on the road really with agro over?
 
Location
southwest
We are relying 100% on the OP's version of events. Is the track deteriorating? Is the OP using it excessively? Has OP dumped tonnes of plannings in someone's field? Has the farmer told the OP that the access is perfectly adequate for private access? Does the OP seem to think he can do what the hell he likes on someone else's property?

CAVEAT EMPTOR
 

PAAB

Member
Location
South-West
Final post from me (the OP). The farmer was ok with me laying the track, he couldnt have cared less, just didnt want (or need) to do it.

So, thank you for all the comments, some appreciated and some really helpful. Some not so particularly those that decided to jump into the thread without bothering their arse to read it from the start. And if course it is my perspective!
So, one thing that it has shown me is that my farmer is quite a reasonable and nice guy after all, compared to many of you on here who clearly aren't. I suspect some of you have spent far too long away from the normal world and have lost all ability to communicate with people unless there is something in it for you. You know what? You can actually be nice to people and help your neighbours out if they come looking with a legitimate issue.
Anyway, to those of you that this applies too, keep enjoying those internet searches for your farmers wife and try to be a little understanding and dare I say, cooperative? Of course, I am reading BETWEENTHELINES here 😉
 

tepapa

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
Final post from me (the OP). The farmer was ok with me laying the track, he couldnt have cared less, just didnt want (or need) to do it.

So, thank you for all the comments, some appreciated and some really helpful. Some not so particularly those that decided to jump into the thread without bothering their arse to read it from the start. And if course it is my perspective!
So, one thing that it has shown me is that my farmer is quite a reasonable and nice guy after all, compared to many of you on here who clearly aren't. I suspect some of you have spent far too long away from the normal world and have lost all ability to communicate with people unless there is something in it for you. You know what? You can actually be nice to people and help your neighbours out if they come looking with a legitimate issue.
Anyway, to those of you that this applies too, keep enjoying those internet searches for your farmers wife and try to be a little understanding and dare I say, cooperative? Of course, I am reading BETWEENTHELINES here 😉
And there you go. Thread ruined.
New member comes on forum to ask a question. Doesn't get the answer they hoped for that solves all their problems so insults half the posters and leaves.
Tune in next week for "cows in the next field moo at night" good night folks.
 

Farmer_Joe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
Final post from me (the OP). The farmer was ok with me laying the track, he couldnt have cared less, just didnt want (or need) to do it.

So, thank you for all the comments, some appreciated and some really helpful. Some not so particularly those that decided to jump into the thread without bothering their arse to read it from the start. And if course it is my perspective!
So, one thing that it has shown me is that my farmer is quite a reasonable and nice guy after all, compared to many of you on here who clearly aren't. I suspect some of you have spent far too long away from the normal world and have lost all ability to communicate with people unless there is something in it for you. You know what? You can actually be nice to people and help your neighbours out if they come looking with a legitimate issue.
Anyway, to those of you that this applies too, keep enjoying those internet searches for your farmers wife and try to be a little understanding and dare I say, cooperative? Of course, I am reading BETWEENTHELINES here 😉
thats just forums/internet (y)

sheep sh!t will not hurt your track, sleep easy.
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
I suspect some of you have spent far too long away from the normal world and have lost all ability to communicate with people unless there is something in it for you.

Its interesting you equate 'communicating' with 'someone giving you what you want'. You've had lots of communication on this thread, and indeed from your farmer neighbour, whats hacked you off is that you don't like the answers you have got.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
No one is asking him to pay for its upgrade - I've never asked for a penny from him. I appreciate it is me who wants to improve the track, not him, so why should I really expect him to pay? See - I'm quite reasonable!!

I think you're being reasonable.
Maybe there's nothing you can do about the fence, perhaps you can ask the grazer/shepherd if you can put a temp fence up?
If the owner is responsible for keeping the track in good condition, you probably have a good case to go after them for that.
Ignore those laughing at you about opening and shutting gate, most farms don't have a gate that's open and shut every time they leave the house, so again not unreasonable.
This is a farming forum, mainly used by farmers, if the roles were reversed, their replies would have a different tone. They are perhaps understandably suspicious of "outsiders" buying rural property as they do have to put up with a lot of trouble from SOME neighbours.
How long is the track?
 
Final post from me (the OP). The farmer was ok with me laying the track, he couldnt have cared less, just didnt want (or need) to do it.

So, thank you for all the comments, some appreciated and some really helpful. Some not so particularly those that decided to jump into the thread without bothering their arse to read it from the start. And if course it is my perspective!
So, one thing that it has shown me is that my farmer is quite a reasonable and nice guy after all, compared to many of you on here who clearly aren't. I suspect some of you have spent far too long away from the normal world and have lost all ability to communicate with people unless there is something in it for you. You know what? You can actually be nice to people and help your neighbours out if they come looking with a legitimate issue.
Anyway, to those of you that this applies too, keep enjoying those internet searches for your farmers wife and try to be a little understanding and dare I say, cooperative? Of course, I am reading BETWEENTHELINES here 😉

Ah, didn't Get the answer you wanted? Go on, flounce off in a huff. Boo hoo.
 

Fendt516profi

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
I think you're being reasonable.
Maybe there's nothing you can do about the fence, perhaps you can ask the grazer/shepherd if you can put a temp fence up?
If the owner is responsible for keeping the track in good condition, you probably have a good case to go after them for that.
Ignore those laughing at you about opening and shutting gate, most farms don't have a gate that's open and shut every time they leave the house, so again not unreasonable.
This is a farming forum, mainly used by farmers, if the roles were reversed, their replies would have a different tone. They are perhaps understandably suspicious of "outsiders" buying rural property as they do have to put up with a lot of trouble from SOME neighbours.
How long is the track?
We have two to open and shut and nextdoor neighbours (none farmers) have 3 sheep can roam over the road in all three fields
 

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