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Offer to pay an annual/rental fee for a fence to be put there. You never know. No issue with someone 'claiming' land is theirs then.
Have you asked about putting up a fenceWe have two to open and shut and nextdoor neighbours (none farmers) have 3 sheep can roam over the road in all three fields
It's our land our sheepHave you asked about putting up a fence
I remember asking the solicitor, if the owner of a track put gates on it, and expected someone with a right of access to open and shut gates while using the track, would that be considered an obstruction of the rights of way, and the solicitor said no, a judge would consider opening and closing a gate to be fine and not an obstruction to a right of way.I think you're being reasonable.
Maybe there's nothing you can do about the fence, perhaps you can ask the grazer/shepherd if you can put a temp fence up?
If the owner is responsible for keeping the track in good condition, you probably have a good case to go after them for that.
Ignore those laughing at you about opening and shutting gate, most farms don't have a gate that's open and shut every time they leave the house, so again not unreasonable.
This is a farming forum, mainly used by farmers, if the roles were reversed, their replies would have a different tone. They are perhaps understandably suspicious of "outsiders" buying rural property as they do have to put up with a lot of trouble from SOME neighbours.
How long is the track?
One side is already fenced, so by fencing both sides you'd create a long thin fenced area that was difficult to drive up and down with wide farm equipment, plus getting into the track from the fields either side with tractors and trailers would be equally difficult. If you made the fenced area wide enough to allow easy machinery access you then lose more grazing area and create a job for yourself to maintain the areas that used to be grazed but would now just grow tall grass and weeds. I can totally see why the farmer doesn't want a completely fenced off track, it would be nothing but extra hassle for him and his workers/contractors and he gains nothing from it. So why would he agree to it?
When you want to do a deal both sides have to gain something they want. The OP gains from a fence, what does the farmer gain?
As I've said before, why do the general public treat farmers like a soft touch?
If the OP lived in a town and the access to his house was across a neighbour's property, would he expect the neighbour to let him fence off (in effect, create a private road) the access?
No, of course not! But because it's "just a field with a few sheep" the farmer-being a country bumpkin- should let him do whatever he wants.
And if the farmer doesn't play ball, just go on the internet, and spin a bit of a sob story to a few more yokels in order to get some ideas about how to pressure the farmer into giving in.
I think TFF is great, apert from two things:
Hobbyists who come on here offering "free pest control" when what they really want is somewhere free to play with their penis substitute guns.
People like the OP who have a dispute with a rural neighbour, and come on TFF with half the story trying to find out how to put one over the neighbour-then moan and sulk when people see through their games.
I mean, c'mon-sheep dung is ruining the access to my house- how believable is that?
So, despite having said I wouldn't comment further, I feel the need to reply to the last post.
See attached photo - this is one nights shi*e. Would you not want to try and prevent this on your track and reach a solution that works for all parties? I guess not many of you have to drive through shi*te everytime you leave your home, whether that be on foot or by vehicle.
And dont bother replying with just move home or you know what you were getting into etc. We CAN and will live with it but would choose not too if that was possible in this situation
So, despite having said I wouldn't comment further, I feel the need to reply to the last post.
See attached photo - this is one nights shi*e. Would you not want to try and prevent this on your track and reach a solution that works for all parties? I guess not many of you have to drive through shi*te everytime you leave your home, whether that be on foot or by vehicle.
And dont bother replying with just move home or you know what you were getting into etc. We CAN and will live with it but would choose not too if that was possible in this situation
Farmer would be well advised NOT to allow a fence to be erected. Just like allowing someone access would eventually create a legal right of access, it could be that permission to erect a fence would eventually turn into a legal right to a boundary fence on the wrong side of the lane.You have an awkward situation there and I sympathise. You have partly answered your own question by pointing out how often you've rescued sheep from fences; that's probably why the farmer doesn't want more fences.
As others have said, it really hangs on what your deeds say regarding the track. If they don't specifically allow you to fences it then you can only try to gain the cooperation of the farm or all of you can change the track surface to one that will not suffer the problem.
Good luck.
I think a lot of people share an access with animals, I guess part and parcel of living in the middle of a "factory without a roof"So, despite having said I wouldn't comment further, I feel the need to reply to the last post.
See attached photo - this is one nights shi*e. Would you not want to try and prevent this on your track and reach a solution that works for all parties? I guess not many of you have to drive through shi*te everytime you leave your home, whether that be on foot or by vehicle.
And dont bother replying with just move home or you know what you were getting into etc. We CAN and will live with it but would choose not too if that was possible in this situation
The fact is though that it isn't your track. You only have right of access using a lane through a field that contains grass and grazing livestock. Shït is a natural consequence and the road to my farm is owned by the County Council and gets covered in shït for seven months of the year from cows coming to and from milking. Welcome to the countryside!So, despite having said I wouldn't comment further, I feel the need to reply to the last post.
See attached photo - this is one nights shi*e. Would you not want to try and prevent this on your track and reach a solution that works for all parties? I guess not many of you have to drive through shi*te everytime you leave your home, whether that be on foot or by vehicle.
And dont bother replying with just move home or you know what you were getting into etc. We CAN and will live with it but would choose not too if that was possible in this situation
Farmer would be well advised NOT to allow a fence to be erected. Just like allowing someone access would eventually create a legal right of access, it could be that permission to erect a fence would eventually turn into a legal right to a boundary fence on the wrong side of the lane.