Ad blue

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
What’s the likelihood of trade ins being checked? Anyone had anything said/ devalued if adblue inop?

i had problems with the treatment unit on one of ours under warranty which worried me about potential cost post warranty and found it was possible to source the Russian (I think) exhaust system for the model which was theoretically cheaper than fixing adblue and did away with it completely. But there was doubt how easy it would be to actually get it into uk, plus tractor had to be re-somethinged, plus I’ve not had any more probs in the last 4000hrs.
 

Spear

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Devon
Biggest issue with remaps and deletes especially going forward is that manufacturers will simply refuse any warranty work on tractors that have been done. It’s very easy for them to tell if they’ve been tampered with on the latest models
 

DrDunc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
Biggest issue with remaps and deletes especially going forward is that manufacturers will simply refuse any warranty work on tractors that have been done. It’s very easy for them to tell if they’ve been tampered with on the latest models
Simple solution:

Wait until the warranty is finished

When the adblue pump / injector nozzle / exhaust buggers up within warranty, it only costs down time to fix

When the warranty period is complete, delete
 
What would happen if the tractor was sold? If a dealer took the “modified” tractor back without being told of the modification, would they be liable to return the tractor to saleable condition and then invoice the previous owner for returning the tractor to original specification.
 
If you have AdBlue, dosing unit fail or something similar, can you simply delete the AdBlue then, or does the ECU still notice the fault and throw up errors / put the machine into limp mode forcing a fix of the original problem?
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
What would happen if the tractor was sold? If a dealer took the “modified” tractor back without being told of the modification, would they be liable to return the tractor to saleable condition and then invoice the previous owner for returning the tractor to original specification.
Could they just sell it on as emissions not working?
If they sold it as in GWO and ignored or simply didn't know it was deleted, they'd have to put it right IF the new owner wanted it.
 

Blue.

Member
Livestock Farmer
If you have AdBlue, dosing unit fail or something similar, can you simply delete the AdBlue then, or does the ECU still notice the fault and throw up errors / put the machine into limp mode forcing a fix of the original problem?
AdBlue delete isn’t removing the bullsh1t components and throwing them over the hedge,it’s simply going into the brain/ecu and telling it that it’s all there and working correctly.
 

itsalwaysme

Member
Location
Cheshire

Fourth section down


Tackling Tampering
We will create new offences for tampering with a system, part or component of a vehicle intended or adapted to be used on a road. This will enable us to address existing gaps in the legislation, ensuring cleaner and safer vehicles. We will also create new offences for tampering with non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) and for advertising ‘tampering’ services or products.

This will strengthen our ability to enforce compliance in this area.

We are aware that the Law Commissions in both their first and third consultations on automated vehicles have considered tampering. We await their final recommendations and would welcome views on our proposals, as follows.

Specifically, we would look to create:

  • a specific offence for supplying, installing and/or advertising, a ‘tampering product’ for a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply where a principal effect of the product is to bypass, defeat, reduce the effectiveness of or render inoperative a system, part or component (the product may be a physical part or component, hardware and/or software)
  • a specific offence for removing, reducing the effectiveness of, or rendering inoperative a system, part or component for a vehicle/NRMM and advertising such services
  • a specific offence for allowing for use or providing a vehicle or NRMM that has had the operations described in the previous 2 points performed on it
  • a new power to require economic operators to provide information, where a service/product they have supplied amounts to or enables ‘tampering’ with a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply in any of the above senses and include requirements to provide relevant information on the quantities of products sold or modified
We would like to emphasise that our policy intention is to prevent modifications that have a negative impact on road safety, vehicle security and the environment.

We do not intend our proposals to:

  • prevent legitimate motorsport activities
  • prevent restoration, repairs or legitimate improvements to vehicles, such as classic cars or motorbikes
  • negatively impact businesses involved in these activities
 

Universe

Member
Livestock Farmer
You can see the time coming where 2nd hand machines that have been "adjusted" only getting sold privately, as stealers will be forced to check and not sell on if not standard. Or maybe even a tractor MOT type emissions inspection 😟
 
AdBlue delete isn’t removing the bullsh1t components and throwing them over the hedge,it’s simply going into the brain/ecu and telling it that it’s all there and working correctly.
I realise it isn’t removing anything, just wondered how clever the tech is, whether it can fool the ecu that the knackered parts are still in good working order so you don’t have to fork out for new parts.
 

e3120

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
A decent mapper can ensure the fault codes/de-rate disappear at the same time. If a franchised dealer takes it back in and is concerned, a reflash of the standard software will reset things. On this note I understand it's recommended to stay close to any visiting mechanic and ensure he doesn't do you a favour and give you the latest software.
 
Would deleting be classed as modifying?
It would invalidate the insurance wouldn't it? I've no idea if the insurance company would find out in the event of a claim though.
I don't see it as a problem at the moment but if rules change and dealers aren't allowed to sell anything that has had an emission delete it could hurt trade in prices.
I wouldn't do it because it would give me an unfair advantage over those that don't/won't run bent.
It doesn't seem to bother most people though.
You obvs have the dealer apprentice with a laptop to flash the tractor back to standard for a abit of cash before any big claims or warranty jobs if it’s going to be expensive 😂
 

ACEngineering

Member
Location
Oxon
That's what I've been told.

One wonders how they would test if the ad blue system is working though.

Has anyone done it?

They probably wont, what would happen is it will be made illegal for someone to carry out the work to delete it, with heavy fines for anyone court. No one will want to take that risk so you wont be able to get it done in the first place.]

For them that already have it done, they will be fine UNTILL there is another problem on the machine were by the dealer or who ever is fixing it has to reset or update software or replace ECU's etc then you will loose any modifications and this could include things like EGR valves and DPF filters etc too. As the dealer will only be able to repair the machine back to factory standard and YOU will then get charged accordingly to reinstate these mapped out stuff like EGR and Alblue etc etc. Mean while your adblue system wont have liked being left unused so is likely to need repairs more than just removing the remap etc all of which will be chargeable and if you dont like it or cant afford it then the dealer will not be able to do the work legally.

Many will laugh BUT i would bet money on it this will come in to force at some point both in Agri and plant/construction, HGV and cars.

to some extent is already is in place for HGV and cars i think.

Think back to the VW emissions scandal and how deep that rabbit hole got and wide spread!
 

Blue.

Member
Livestock Farmer
As fast as they dream up all this b0ll0cks there’s lads coming up with ways around it,it’s the way it’s always been and always will be.
 

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