Advice towards a system in the future

[czechmate]

Similar problems with some of the drains here. They used only straw backfill over some where the drain was down in the sand under a metre of clay. The clay has completely sealed over. Subsoiling / moling works to some extent but by the time you are deep enough to get through the clay you are in danger if hitting the drain. It's never really dry enough at depth anyway to crack it.

Only way for us is either a new scheme or dig up and re lay with stone backfill. It's just about doable with a mini digger, perhaps do worst bit each year.

Economically it doesn't really add up but nor does leaving it water logged.

Yes, 80 ha of this will take a while

 

[will l]

Sensible will.
Not quite ready to give up yet. With my tine drill and glyphosate my 60 ha cereal is two days work and we have that for a couple of years yet. Actually, there are some articles going around about the cost of loosing glyphosate (saying about €150/ha) and maybe a selective reduction. I haven’t read this but am guessing maybe they mean stop the permission for decication?

36 of the 69 formulations currently sold in france are being withdrawn by the end of 2020 the use of the stock is still possible after that until an as yet unspeciied date basically it is going to get more expensive so buy now enough until your retirement, best investment you will make there are no authorisations for dessication with glyphosate in france only specific derogations, Buy now it will only go up in value better investment than land!!!

 

[czechmate]

36 of the 69 formulations currently sold in france are being withdrawn by the end of 2020 the use of the stock is still possible after that until an as yet unspeciied date basically it is going to get more expensive so buy now enough until your retirement, best investment you will make there are no authorisations for dessication with glyphosate in france only specific derogations, Buy now it will only go up in value better investment than land!!!

Not if you find you can't use it

As a complete aside and another surprise here, the "wetter" this autumn cost the same per ha, or actually a bit more, than the glyphosate !

 

[will l]

Not if you find you can't use it

As a complete aside and another surprise here, the "wetter" this autumn cost the same per ha, or actually a bit more, than the glyphosate !

You can continue to use it indefinately No fin d utilisation
For adjuvant use solution 39N, ammonium sulphate for penetrant or " sulfate d magnesium" for spreader wetter, who is giving you advice, the same bloke selling the product?

 

[czechmate]

You can continue to use it indefinately No fin d utilisation
For adjuvant use solution 39N, ammonium sulphate for penetrant or " sulfate d magnesium" for spreader wetter, who is giving you advice, the same bloke selling the product?

But as we know, the rules can change.


They don't advise using a wetter. I can't get my head around that so insist they sell me some.

Interesting what you say. I only use 120 lts per year. Couple of tonnes and I'm done for life

 

[will l]

But as we know, the rules can change.


They don't advise using a wetter. I can't get my head around that so insist they sell me some.

Interesting what you say. I only use 120 lts per year. Couple of tonnes and I'm done for life

The remaining brands of glyphosate could have a retirement date put on them but it is very difficult to retrospectively change withdrawal conditions,
The real risk if you want to worry about something is HVE,
Haute valeur environnementale

 

[Flat 10]

Why do you need to plough if you subsoil?

 

[Flat 10]

Why do you need to plough if you subsoil?

I see you meant if glyphosate was banned too.

 

[AndrewM]

Which weeds do you have problems with?

 

[czechmate]

Which weeds do you have problems with?

Well, a big part is volenteers. Oats as a break crop at the moment after triticale.
Grasses are AMG, various rye grasses from hay and previous hay crops and various bromes.
Of course some BLW but they can always be dealt with contact later in cereals

 

[AndrewM]

Well, a big part is volenteers. Oats as a break crop at the moment after triticale.
Grasses are AMG, various rye grasses from hay and previous hay crops and various bromes.
Of course some BLW but they can always be dealt with contact later in cereals

Have you seen the chaff grinding devices the Australians have invented to destroy glyphosate ryegrass seeds as they come out of the back of the combine. Seem to work well. Would also take care of volunteers.

 

[czechmate]

Have you seen the chaff grinding devices the Australians have invented to destroy glyphosate ryegrass seeds as they come out of the back of the combine. Seem to work well. Would also take care of volunteers.

No.
That sounds interesting
I've never even actually heard of such a think but... Sounds expensive :-(

 

[Grass And Grain]

I know this probably isn't what you were looking for, but is it going to be vastly more expensive to plough it?

You said light land, and you are currently doing 2 x carrier passes and glyphosate.

I can't think that plough + press, then drill, will be much more expensive. Probably no need to subsoil (which you are also doing with a shakerator?) and might help with your soil drainage problems.

If you are struggling for time, just make phone call to a contractor.

Just my thoughts.

And if glyphosate gets withdrawn, then there could be some expensive direct drills sat doing nothing in the back of sheds! That said, I'm really interested in DD, but don't think I'd risk spending £100k on one with glyphosate at risk.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Why plough AND subsoil.

Keverneland used to make little subsoiler legs that bolted onto the frog that would work several inches deeper than the share point.

Always looked a good idea to me. Dowdeswell did something similar but it looked like a rotavator blade and made the plough ride out in hard going.

 

[renewablejohn]

Have you seen the chaff grinding devices the Australians have invented to destroy glyphosate ryegrass seeds as they come out of the back of the combine. Seem to work well. Would also take care of volunteers.

Never had this problem when combines used to bag up all the chaff and seeds and then sell the bags as chicken feed.

 

[DanniAgro]

No.
That sounds interesting
I've never even actually heard of such a think but... Sounds expensive :-(

Very expensive, both to buy and in terms of horsepower.

 

[renewablejohn]

Very expensive, both to buy and in terms of horsepower.

Again farmers miss a trick. Simple hydraulic briquette press and you end up with a biomass product worth in excess of 250 per tonne yet you would rather throw it on the floor and save the grain for less than 200 per tonne.