Ag Subsidies

[Tony]

http://www.farmingahead.com.au/insi...stralian producers among the least subsidised

Sorry I dont know how to shorten the link ,but to all the farmers who complain that their government payments are late or not enough to survive on toughen up and try and live in the real world.

Tony

 

[Tarw Coch]

http://www.farmingahead.com.au/insight/on-farm/australian-producers-among-the-least-subsidised/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=FAH&utm_campaign=Top5&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top 5 - FAH&utm_content=Top 5 - FAH+CID_b0623fa3fc3bd35303db0669a96ecf92&utm_source=Campaign Monitor&utm_term=Australian producers among the least subsidised

Sorry I dont know how to shorten the link ,but to all the farmers who complain that their government payments are late or not enough to survive on toughen up and try and live in the real world.

Tony

Could you define real world please.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

http://www.farmingahead.com.au/insight/on-farm/australian-producers-among-the-least-subsidised/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=FAH&utm_campaign=Top5&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top 5 - FAH&utm_content=Top 5 - FAH+CID_b0623fa3fc3bd35303db0669a96ecf92&utm_source=Campaign Monitor&utm_term=Australian producers among the least subsidised

Sorry I dont know how to shorten the link ,but to all the farmers who complain that their government payments are late or not enough to survive on toughen up and try and live in the real world.

Tony

It don't matter, Australia coming second , again

 

[Kiwi Pete]

http://www.farmingahead.com.au/insight/on-farm/australian-producers-among-the-least-subsidised/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=FAH&utm_campaign=Top5&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top 5 - FAH&utm_content=Top 5 - FAH+CID_b0623fa3fc3bd35303db0669a96ecf92&utm_source=Campaign Monitor&utm_term=Australian producers among the least subsidised

Sorry I dont know how to shorten the link ,but to all the farmers who complain that their government payments are late or not enough to survive on toughen up and try and live in the real world.

Tony

I notice the UK doesn't exist as a country in it's own right, on your link?
I think NZ gov't could learn a thing from your own about seasonal support packages, in all seriousness.
Last thing we need is handouts, but would be IMO beneficial to allow a wee bit of support where necessary for environmental-protection type expenditure and definitely some extra research funding.
Especially considering the value of export to our countries economies. Look at the amazing work done at the CSIRO- we have no equivalent. A couple of small research farms and monitor farms and the rest is farmer-led.

Enough from me, will let you answer the critics

Pete

 

[Tony]

Could you define real world please.

My definition of the real world in agriculture is where the farmer is paid market price for what they produce/sell and receives no financial assistance from the government
Tony

 

[exmoor dave]

My definition of the real world in agriculture is where the farmer is paid market price for what they produce/sell and receives no financial assistance from the government
Tony

We don't have production subs, we are paid what the market values our produce as.

The subs (BPS in england) are not linked to production.

Alot of our payments are actually environmental schemes, which aren't even a subsidy, they are a contract between us farmers and who ever is paying for the scheme to carry out certain works and fulfil certain conditions, it other words a contractual arrangement.


Out of interest......hasn't your government just pumped millions in to developing the Saudi sheep meat market?
Did the government fund that or you as farmers?

(BTW our government doesn't do the same, we pay a levy, some of which goes on market development)

 

[Kiwi Pete]

It don't matter, Australia coming second , again

I often wonder, what percentage of farmers here, generate a profit every single year.
Would be an interesting stat. to have at the ready sometimes

 

[Derrick Hughes]

My definition of the real world in agriculture is where the farmer is paid market price for what they produce/sell and receives no financial assistance from the government
Tony

With Kim threatning to loose a few of his fireworks off a sensible pollicy would be to get some food reserves built up

 

[7610 super q]

10/4 Tone.

 

[stewart]

We don't have production subs, we are paid what the market values our produce as.

The subs (BPS in england) are not linked to production.

Alot of our payments are actually environmental schemes, which aren't even a subsidy, they are a contract between us farmers and who ever is paying for the scheme to carry out certain works and fulfil certain conditions, it other words a contractual arrangement.


Out of interest......hasn't your government just pumped millions in to developing the Saudi sheep meat market?
Did the government fund that or you as farmers?

(BTW our government doesn't do the same, we pay a levy, some of which goes on market development)

Call it what you like. Subsidy, grant, or environmental payment. Farmers in the U.K. receive financial assistance from the E.U.

The report posted by the OP points out that Aussie receives the second lowest level of financial support in the developed world coming second behind New Zealand. It is not surprising that Australia is in second place to NZ. This weekend will see them in second place again in Dunedin, what I do find surprising in the report is that it classified Australia in the developed world.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

10/4 Tone.

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Looks like hes been out baling straw

 

[Pasty]

Farmers in the UK get everything. It's brilliant. Lazy planning laws or actual ones set in our favour so you can do what you like. Free money just for owning or 'controlling' land. Money available for other 'schemes. Plus, when you finally see sense and drop dead, there is no tax bill. Other industries must think we have it made. Which we do. I doubt it will last.

 

[caveman]

Very glad of the little bit I get.
It's helped me maintain my uneconomic, unviable, uncompetitive, inefficient and backward way of going about things.
Still.
No other buggers got their grubby paws on my little spread.

 

[Still Farming]

I often wonder, what percentage of farmers here, generate a profit every single year.
Would be an interesting stat. to have at the ready sometimes

They never make a profit just buy new tractors and vehicles and cry poverty !

 

[ollie989898]

Ye Gods, are you for real?

If anyone on this thread is that unhappy with the world and green with envy, here, have this trainset instead of your own and play with it all you like.

 

[Tony]

We don't have production subs, we are paid what the market values our produce as.

The subs (BPS in england) are not linked to production.

Alot of our payments are actually environmental schemes, which aren't even a subsidy, they are a contract between us farmers and who ever is paying for the scheme to carry out certain works and fulfil certain conditions, it other words a contractual arrangement.


Out of interest......hasn't your government just pumped millions in to developing the Saudi sheep meat market?
Did the government fund that or you as farmers?

(BTW our government doesn't do the same, we pay a levy, some of which goes on market development)

From memory the Saudi sheep market has been going for over 20 years. The federal govt has spent a lot of taxpayers money pandering to the bleeding heart brigade in an effort to make the live sheep export market to the middle east more humane.But as we all know,if a sheep doesn't want to live,it dies.

 

[Tony]

Call it what you like. Subsidy, grant, or environmental payment. Farmers in the U.K. receive financial assistance from the E.U.

The report posted by the OP points out that Aussie receives the second lowest level of financial support in the developed world coming second behind New Zealand. It is not surprising that Australia is in second place to NZ. This weekend will see them in second place again in Dunedin, what I do find surprising in the report is that it classified Australia in the developed world.

Ouch! " classified Australia in the developed world". Maybe thats why more kiwis are coming to Australia to live than Australians going to New Zealand to live, to improve their standard of living.
And to all the people who took that comment seriously get a life. What happens in Dunedin I don't know I suppose you are referring to the Bledisloe cup. Google just told me that New Zealand have held it since 2003 so all I will say is may the best team win.

 

[Tony]

We don't have production subs, we are paid what the market values our produce as.

The subs (BPS in england) are not linked to production.

Alot of our payments are actually environmental schemes, which aren't even a subsidy, they are a contract between us farmers and who ever is paying for the scheme to carry out certain works and fulfil certain conditions, it other words a contractual arrangement.


Out of interest......hasn't your government just pumped millions in to developing the Saudi sheep meat market?
Did the government fund that or you as farmers?

(BTW our government doesn't do the same, we pay a levy, some of which goes on market development)

"The Basic Payment Scheme acts as a safety net for farmers and crofters by supplementing their main business income.

To qualify for this support, you must actively farm your land.

Support under the Basic Payment Scheme is available to farmers who are allocated payment entitlements.

You can apply for entitlements based on the land you farm and the activity you undertake."
Quoted from " https://www.ruralpayments.org/publicsite/futures/topics/all-schemes/basic-payment-scheme/"
And if that is not a subsidy then yours and my definitions are polar opposites

 

[Kiwi Pete]

"The Basic Payment Scheme acts as a safety net for farmers and crofters by supplementing their main business income.

To qualify for this support, you must actively farm your land.

Support under the Basic Payment Scheme is available to farmers who are allocated payment entitlements.

You can apply for entitlements based on the land you farm and the activity you undertake."
Quoted from " https://www.ruralpayments.org/publicsite/futures/topics/all-schemes/basic-payment-scheme/"
And if that is not a subsidy then yours and my definitions are polar opposites

Welcome to being "the counterweight" of where it all really happens !!

 

[S J H]

From memory the Saudi sheep market has been going for over 20 years. The federal govt has spent a lot of taxpayers money pandering to the bleeding heart brigade in an effort to make the live sheep export market to the middle east more humane.But as we all know,if a sheep doesn't want to live,it dies.

That's very clever logic

Btw I might be a bit British, but I wouldn't go onto an Australian farming forum, telling them how they should run their interests.